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RE: Spread of title page data

Posted By Stephen McDonald Sep 05, 2023 08:29 AM
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You're right. I forgot they moved that section to the Data Provenance Guidance pages. ------------------------------ Stephen McDonald Digital Initiatives Librarian Tufts University ------------------------------

RE: Spread of title page data

Posted By Stephen McDonald Sep 05, 2023 07:45 AM
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Yuji, The Data Provenance instructions are used for recording the source of a piece of metadata. In this case, the instructions you cite would mean recording in a 500 note something like, "Title from title page" or "Title from series title page." Dana wasn't asking how to record the provenance of the ...

RE: Spread of title page data

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 30, 2023 02:17 PM
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Putting a parallel title into the 245 is not new at all--it goes back to AACR2, and probably to AACR. In AACR2, it was covered in 2.1D. In original RDA Toolkit, it was covered in 2.3.3. ------------------------------ Stephen McDonald Digital Initiatives Librarian Tufts University ----------- ...

RE: Spread of title page data

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 30, 2023 08:53 AM
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You also said, 'It seems odd to me that if a single title page contains a title in two languages that you would not record one of the titles if the manifestation only contains the work in one language.' RDA is not telling you to record only one title. It is tellng you to record only one title as title ...

RE: Spread of title page data

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 30, 2023 08:36 AM
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I meant add that official RDA does not incorporate the concept of primary source of information. You don't have to worry as much as you have about which page is the title page. ------------------------------ Stephen McDonald Digital Initiatives Librarian Tufts University -------------------------- ...

RE: Spread of title page data

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 30, 2023 08:32 AM
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To answer your questions: Can someone please clarify which title page is primary, the one on the left or the right, and am I misinterpreting the condition above for "A value of title appears in two or more languages in sources of information." It seems to me to be applying to a situation where a ...

RE: Question about a facsimile edition

Posted By Stephen McDonald Jun 15, 2023 12:33 PM
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By the way, the title page _does_ list an author: A "Canuck" (Of the fifth generation).  If we did not know the real name of the author, we could use that as basis of the authorized name of the author.  If you are using the Original Toolkit, see 9.2.2.25 and the associated LC-PCC Policy Statement. ...

RE: Question about a facsimile edition

Posted By Stephen McDonald Jun 15, 2023 12:18 PM
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There are 33 records for this title in WorldCat, for editions ranging from 1905 to 2022.  Almost every record records Scherck, Michael Gonder, 1861- or Scherck, Michael Gonder, 1861-1928 as the authorized form of the author.  There is no authority record in the LC Name Authority File for the author, ...

RE: Technical Reports in RDA

Posted By Stephen McDonald Jun 13, 2023 08:02 AM
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Ghada, No, that is not a technical report.  A technical report is a report about the findings of a specific basic research project.  As the definition says, it is often written to fulfill a reporting requirement of the funding organization.  Technical reports always have a technical report number.  ...

RE: Name of element "country associated with person of"

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 04, 2021 10:09 AM
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I don't think Adam was suggesting that we start recording associated country in 551.  He noted that we currently put it in the 370$c.  The LC-PCC Task Group on Element Labels in beta RDA Toolkit recommended against using element labels when there is a one-to-one match with existing bibliographic and ...

RE: Name of element "country associated with person of"

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 04, 2021 08:46 AM
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'country associated with person of' is constructed in exactly the same way as all other inverse element labels.  It is clear that RSC has tried to be consistent with this pattern.  It is true that almost all of these  inverse element labels could instead have been constructed by flipping the subject ...

RE: Jurisdiction governed/Jurisdiction governed of

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 02, 2021 12:18 PM
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Interesting questions.  I suppose it might be possible to continue using a single NAF heading for both place and government, using the definitions of the relationships to distinguish which applies in each instance.  But that would be a discussion for LC/PCC.  RDA itself must distinguish them to align ...

RE: Jurisdiction governed/Jurisdiction governed of

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 02, 2021 11:07 AM
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We could also have: 151   United States (place) 551   $w r $i Jurisdiction governed of: $a United States (government) 151   United States (government) 551   $w r $i Jurisdiction governed: $a United States (place) ------------------------------ Stephen McDonald Digital Initiatives Librarian Tufts ...

RE: Jurisdiction governed/Jurisdiction governed of

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 02, 2021 10:55 AM
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Adam, Here's where we get into the problems of Place vs. Corporate Body that Robert brought up.  To properly reflect RDA, we would need something like: 151   District of Columbia (place) 551   $w r $i Jurisdiction governed of: $a United States (government) 151   United States (government) 551   $w ...

RE: Jurisdiction governed/Jurisdiction governed of

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 02, 2021 10:38 AM
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I see.  So the current toolkit element 'jurisdiction governed' is not the same as the attribute with the same name in the original toolkit.  Instead, this would be used, for example, in the name authority record for a corporate body which is a government, and the definition needs to be changed to reflect ...

RE: Jurisdiction governed/Jurisdiction governed of

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 02, 2021 10:22 AM
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Thank you, Gordon. Rephrasing to be certain that I understand correctly:  the domain of 'jurisdiction governed' and the range of 'jurisdiction governed of' should be Work, but we shouldn't use either element anyway because they do not align well with LRM.  Currently they are top-level elements, not ...

RE: Jurisdiction governed/Jurisdiction governed of

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 02, 2021 08:06 AM
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Thank you, Gordon.  I'm glad to see that the 3R project has clarified the meaning of jurisdiction.  The current definition of 'jurisdiction governed' and 'jurisdiction governed of' matches my interpretation of the 'jurisdiction governed' in the original toolkit, with jurisdiction being a Place and government ...

RE: Jurisdiction governed/Jurisdiction governed of

Posted By Stephen McDonald Aug 01, 2021 03:35 PM
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That does look odd.  In the old toolkit, the element with this name is clearly a relationship between a law (work) and a jurisdiction (place).  The work would have a relationship to the government enacting the law (creator) and a relationship to the place to which the law applies (jurisdiction governed). ...

RE: Workflows

Posted By Stephen McDonald Apr 16, 2021 01:16 PM
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At the moment, it is indeed mostly hypothetical.  Almost no one is actually using the new RDA Toolkit for active cataloging.  The Library of Congress and PCC are still working on policy statements and workflows for the new Toolkit.  They have not yet set a date for adoption of the new Toolkit.  In the ...

RE: Workflows

Posted By Stephen McDonald Apr 16, 2021 11:48 AM
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I believe the intent is that documents like that can be shared globally as Kathy described, just as those in the previous version of the toolkit.  Someone just needs to write them, which has not happened yet. ------------------------------ Stephen McDonald Digital Initiatives Librarian Tufts University ...