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Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

  • 1.  Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Feb 24, 2025 10:07 AM

    Colleagues-

    NARDAC has submitted a revision proposal, RSC/NARDAC/2025/1, Proposal on numerals associated with given names.
    This parallels MARC Proposal No. 2025-02: Redefining Subfield $b in X00 Fields in the MARC 21 Authority and Bibliographic Formats, discussed at the MARC Advisory Committee meeting in January.

    We have an opportunity to comment on this NARDAC proposal, although the time frame is short.

    To meet NARDAC's response deadline, please reply to this post with any comments you have about this proposal.  All members of this community (whether CC:DA members or not) are welcome to comment.

    DEADLINE: Close of business, March 4, 2025.

    As always, I apologize for the short amount of time we have to gather the CC:DA comments.

    Kathy



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    Kathy Glennan
    CC:DA Chair
    Director, Cataloging & Metadata Services
    University of Maryland Libraries
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  • 2.  RE: Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Feb 24, 2025 10:43 AM
    Does it make sense to include an example in the cover memo (which I might assume will become the foundation for the eventual examples in RDA) from a name outside of Western or Classical references?

    Possible options: 
    • Any of the Dalai Lamas (although I do not know how the Dalai Lamas are numbered outside of the usual roman numerals). The authorized headings are based on personal names, which are unique, the addition of the title (100$c). For the current Dalai Lama, there are cross-references in the authority record for the title Dalai Lama with a regnal number (400 $b). There are also cross-references in non-Latin scripts. 
    • If this will not serve, I see several regnal numbers associated with various Sultans that could be expressed in Arabic. 
    • There is also the NAR at LCCN n  86125600 for an Emir, which seems to already have Arabic regnal numbers in a 400 $b.
    --John

    John Myers, Catalog & Metadata Librarian
    CC:DA Liaison to MAC
    Schaffer Library, Union College
    Schenectady NY 12308

    518-388-6623

    pronouns: he/him/his

    Union College is on the land originally peopled by the Iroquois Confederacy, including the Cayuga, Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Seneca, Haudenosaunee (The People of the Longhouse), and other tribes  https://www.union.edu/campus-diversity-inclusion/dei-statement





  • 3.  RE: Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Feb 25, 2025 07:35 AM

    The proposal sounds good to me, and I agree with John that it might be good to have a non-Western example in the cover memo.

    -Tammy



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    Tammy Druash
    Resource Description Librarian
    University of North Florida
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  • 4.  RE: Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Feb 27, 2025 08:27 AM

    I agree that the proposal looks good, and that it would benefit from an additional non-Western example. Switching to my RDA Examples Editor hat, I'm happy to work with NARDAC to add a variety of examples to the Toolkit to illustrate the proposed changes once they're implemented.



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    Jessica Grzegorski
    Rare Materials Metadata Librarian
    Northwestern University Libraries
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  • 5.  RE: Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Feb 27, 2025 11:29 AM

    The proposal looks great; it supports the representation of personal names in certain non-Latin scripts effectively. I would be happy to help with examples in Arabic if needed. 

    Iman 



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    Iman Dagher
    Arabic & Islamic Studies Metadata Librarian
    UCLA Library. Resource Acquisitions & Metadata Services
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  • 6.  RE: Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Feb 27, 2025 11:35 AM

    As others have previously commented, I agree with the proposal overall and feel it would benefit from having additional non-Western examples.

     

    Wearing my other Laision hat: this is also the sentiment of the catalogers within American Theological Library Association (Atla).

     

     

     

    Michael Bradford, MLS, he/him/his

    Library System Cataloging Librarian

    Wayne State University

    229 Purdy/Kresge Library

    Detroit, MI 48202

    mbradford@wayne.edu | Ph: 313-577-9231

    I generally read and respond to emails M-F, between 8am and 4pm, Eastern Time.

     

     




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  • 7.  RE: Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Feb 27, 2025 11:59 AM

    I shared this with the Law Library community and did not receive any comments, but I agree the proposal looks good.



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    Christopher Thomas
    Head of Cataloging
    UCLA Law Library
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  • 8.  RE: Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Feb 28, 2025 02:58 PM

    This proposal looks good to me as well, and I agree with others about the addition of another non-Western example.



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    Chelsea Hoover
    Syracuse University Libraries
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  • 9.  RE: Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Feb 28, 2025 03:02 PM

    A non-Western example could be good to have in principle.   It might not add anything that isn't already clearly illustrated by the non-Western references in the current examples, except maybe right-to-left script.



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    Robert Rendall
    Assistant Director for Cataloging
    Columbia University Libraries
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  • 10.  RE: Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Mar 03, 2025 08:20 AM

    Hello, my colleagues and I at OCLC support this proposal. We defer examples issues to the Example Editor's capable hands.

    Kate



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    Kate James (she/her/hers)
    OCLC · Program Coordinator- Metadata Engagement, Global Product Management
    6565 Kilgour Place, Dublin, Ohio, 43017 United States
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  • 11.  RE: Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Mar 03, 2025 09:32 AM

    The proposal is a sound one and I am happy to add my support (and that of the CLA) to it.  I do wonder, though, if, in the 3rd line of the 2nd paragraph of the Background section, it is necessary to include the qualifier "(or numerals)"  in the phrase  "regnal numbers (or numerals)", especially as part of the spirit of the proposal is to go beyond the use of numerals alone and to allow for the use of written-out words as well.  



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    Thomas Dousa
    Metadata Analyst Librarian
    University of Chicago Library
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  • 12.  RE: Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Mar 04, 2025 08:04 AM

    Hi there,

    I received no comments from the Metadata Interest Group constituency, but agree that the proposal is sensible.  I support the proposal.



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    Timothy Ryan Mendenhall (he/him)
    Metadata Librarian, Columbia University
    CORE Metadata Interest Group Liaison to CC:DA
    trm2151@columbia.edu
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  • 13.  RE: Opportunity to comment on NARDAC proposal on regnal numbers

    Posted Mar 05, 2025 08:56 AM
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    Thanks for your comments and suggestions, everyone!

    Here's the official CC:DA response, which I have just submitted to our NARDAC representatives. I will also add the response to our ALAIR space.

    Kathy



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    Kathy Glennan
    Director, Cataloging & Metadata Services
    University of Maryland Libraries
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