Core CC:DA Public Space

Colleagues-

RSC/ORDAC/2024/1, Proposal on Dual-language naming of Corporate Body and Place, was discussed at the RSC Meeting in April 2024. It did not pass at that meeting and thus was referred to a small working group (which included Bob Maxwell) to work on resolving the various cataloging communities' comments so that a revised version of the proposal could be issued.

That revised version,  RSC/ORDAC/2024/1/rev, is now available and it will be on the RSC's agenda for their November meeting. Bob reports "...there are not huge changes here-the language has changed but the result is the same, and its position in RDA was moved a bit."

As with other proposals scheduled for the next RSC meeting, CC:DA needs to review and comment on the proposal. If you have comments or suggestions, please post them here before September 30. NARDAC needs the CC:DA response by October 1.

Thanks,

Kathy

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Kathy Glennan
CC:DA Chair
Director, Cataloging & Metadata Services
University of Maryland Libraries
she/her/hers
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Posting a response on behalf of Amanda Xu, CC:DA voting member:

I am looking into name of corporate body in two or more languages Condition, and name of place in two or more languages Condition. 

 

I accept the summary recommendations

 

Recommendation 1: Add a new Condition and Condition Option to Corporate Body: preferred name of corporate body

Recommendation 2: Add a new Condition and Condition Option for Place: preferred name of place

 

But for the CONDITION, I prefer not using the "consists of words".  I prefer using "a name of place in two or more languages." This phrasing clearly indicates that the name is represented in multiple languages, emphasizing the multilingual aspect without implying that the name itself consists of words from different languages. It's straightforward and easily understood.  It is the same rational for the name of corporate body.  I prefer CONDITION A value of a name appears in two or more languages in manifestations.

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Kathy Glennan
Director, Cataloging & Metadata Services
University of Maryland Libraries
she/her/hers
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I received internal comments that the recommendations make sense as is, with no further comments.  I concur and support Kathy's choice of wording for clarity.

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Erin Grant
Director, Cataloging and Metadata Services
University of Washington
She/Her/Hers
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Original Message:
Sent: Sep 16, 2024 04:50 PM
From: Kathryn Glennan
Subject: Comments requested: RSC/ORDAC/2024/1/rev

Posting a response on behalf of Amanda Xu, CC:DA voting member:

I am looking into name of corporate body in two or more languages Condition, and name of place in two or more languages Condition. 

 

I accept the summary recommendations

 

Recommendation 1: Add a new Condition and Condition Option to Corporate Body: preferred name of corporate body

Recommendation 2: Add a new Condition and Condition Option for Place: preferred name of place

 

But for the CONDITION, I prefer not using the "consists of words".  I prefer using "a name of place in two or more languages." This phrasing clearly indicates that the name is represented in multiple languages, emphasizing the multilingual aspect without implying that the name itself consists of words from different languages. It's straightforward and easily understood.  It is the same rational for the name of corporate body.  I prefer CONDITION A value of a name appears in two or more languages in manifestations.

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Kathy Glennan
Director, Cataloging & Metadata Services
University of Maryland Libraries
she/her/hers
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From the American Theological Library Association (Atla) Cataloging Community:

Atla supports the recommendations.

As CC:DA voting member, I also support Kathy's wording for clarity.

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Michael Bradford
Atla Liaison to CC:DA and Voting Member
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Original Message:
Sent: Aug 30, 2024 01:54 PM
From: Kathryn Glennan
Subject: Comments requested: RSC/ORDAC/2024/1/rev

Colleagues-

RSC/ORDAC/2024/1, Proposal on Dual-language naming of Corporate Body and Place, was discussed at the RSC Meeting in April 2024. It did not pass at that meeting and thus was referred to a small working group (which included Bob Maxwell) to work on resolving the various cataloging communities' comments so that a revised version of the proposal could be issued.

That revised version,  RSC/ORDAC/2024/1/rev, is now available and it will be on the RSC's agenda for their November meeting. Bob reports "...there are not huge changes here-the language has changed but the result is the same, and its position in RDA was moved a bit."

As with other proposals scheduled for the next RSC meeting, CC:DA needs to review and comment on the proposal. If you have comments or suggestions, please post them here before September 30. NARDAC needs the CC:DA response by October 1.

Thanks,

Kathy

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Kathy Glennan
CC:DA Chair
Director, Cataloging & Metadata Services
University of Maryland Libraries
she/her/hers
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Music Library Association supports these recommendations, as well as Kathy's proposed wording revision.

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Chelsea Hoover
Syracuse University Libraries
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Original Message:
Sent: Sep 30, 2024 08:35 AM
From: Michael Bradford
Subject: Comments requested: RSC/ORDAC/2024/1/rev

From the American Theological Library Association (Atla) Cataloging Community:

Atla supports the recommendations.

As CC:DA voting member, I also support Kathy's wording for clarity.

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Michael Bradford
Atla Liaison to CC:DA and Voting Member

As a non-voting CC:DA member but long time cataloger and RDA user, I personally support not using "consisting of words" because some languages do not have words--they have characters. The proposed wording Kathy posted on behalf of Amanda Xu is fine with me. See https://access.rdatoolkit.org/en-US_ala-4b9291c5-f525-37fd-b661-c469e763ce8a/div_hr4_hdb_2gb for an instruction that acknowledges this distinction. In original RDA it is 2.3.2.13.1. Also, I had a co-worker who commented that this proposal was useful because of the need to provide attribute values for different languages and scripts even within a single string sometimes.

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Kate James (she/her/hers)
OCLC · Program Coordinator- Metadata Engagement, Global Product Management
6565 Kilgour Place, Dublin, Ohio, 43017 United States
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I support the proposed wording "A value of a name consists of words in two or more languages."  I think that describes the situation dealt with here more precisely than the alternatives suggested: a single name that includes words in different languages.  All languages have words; referring to words is problematic in cataloging instructions only when you want catalogers to count them, because not all scripts put spaces between words.

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Robert Rendall
Head of Cataloging
Columbia University Libraries
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