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  • 1.  Review of RSC/TranslationsTLO/2026/2 by July 3rd

    Posted 21 days ago

    Please review the document at the link below and provide comments no later than Friday, July 3rd.

    Proposal on adding ""scribe agent / etc.", "scribe agent / etc. of", "wood engraver agent / etc." and "wood engraver agent / etc. of" as new elements to the RDA Toolkit, the corresponding new definitions to the Glossary, and the corresponding new properties to RDA Registry

    https://www.rdatoolkit.org/sites/default/files/uploads/RSC_TranslationsTLO_2026_20260604.pdf



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    Karl Pettitt
    Coordinator of Cataloging and Metadata Services
    University of Denver Libraries
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  • 2.  RE: Review of RSC/TranslationsTLO/2026/2 by July 3rd

    Posted 20 days ago
    Edited by Amanda Xu 20 days ago

    Thank you so much, Karl, for posting this proposal for comment.  I find the proposal well-structured, responsive to community needs, and technically sound. The definitions are clear, the element hierarchy is logical, and the registry properties are appropriate for linked data environments.  It will significantly enhance the cataloguing of rare and historical materials, support global applicability, and improve semantic precision in metadata.   I would vote yes to this proposal.

    I wish that there were some practical examples for each new element to aid catalogers in Official RDA Toolkit or metadata guidance documents.  Libraries deciding whether to update legacy data may require additional guidance or best practices.  The relationship between "wood engraver agent" and "engraver agent" may require further discussion, as external authorities do not always align with RDA's hierarchy. The proposal acknowledges this and suggests ongoing dialogue.  Looking forward to continuing dialogue on broader/narrower element relationships, especially where external authorities diverge.  In addition, we need to ensure that glossary definitions and registry properties are harmonized with existing RDA elements to avoid redundancy or confusion.

    Best regards,

    Amanda 

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    Amanda Z. Xu
    Team Lead, Librarian (Metadata)
    National Agricultural Library
    Beltsville, Maryland, USA
    amanda.xu@usda.gov
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  • 3.  RE: Review of RSC/TranslationsTLO/2026/2 by July 3rd

    Posted 12 days ago

    I generally support this proposal, and I have no additional comments on the "wood engraver agent/etc." recommendations.

    However, the proposal does not achieve its stated goal of broadening the scope of "scribe agent/etc." by removing NARDAC's suggested term of "unpublished" from the definition (see p. 2), since the proposed broader element is "producer agent of unpublished manifestation" (see p. 3 and following). 

    If this definition is intended to follow the pattern of the approved "rubricator agent/etc." (see RSC/TranslationsTLO/2026/1/Decisions), the broader term probably should be "producer agent". (There is no "producer agent of published manifestation" that would parallel "producer agent of unpublished manifestation".)

    On the other hand, I have a hard time understanding the reason behind broadening the definition in the first place. How do the actions of "An agent who is responsible for producing a manifestation by making a handwritten copy of a manuscript" NOT result in something that is unpublished?

    Kathy



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    Kathy Glennan
    Director, Cataloging & Metadata Services
    University of Maryland Libraries
    she/her/hers
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  • 4.  RE: Review of RSC/TranslationsTLO/2026/2 by July 3rd

    Posted 12 days ago

    I support Recommendation 1, including the definitions of the new scribe elements and their placement in the hierarchy.

    I support Recommendation 2 in principle, including the definitions of the new wood engraver elements. However, I strongly recommend that the broader element of wood engraver agent, etc. should be printmaker agent, etc.

    There are three basic types of prints: relief, intaglio, and planographic. Relief blocks are created by cutting away the non-printing areas, leaving a flat, raised image area. Relief blocks can be run through an ordinary printing press to create relief prints, or one can simply apply ink to the block and transfer the image to paper or other surface by pressing. Intaglio plates, by contrast, are created by cutting the image into the plate using an engraving tool like a burin or chemical agent like acid. The image is recessed into the plate rather than raised (as it is in a relief block). Printing an engraving from a plate requires a different type of press that is capable of applying enough pressure to squeeze the paper or other printing surface deep enough into the inked, recessed grooves to transfer the image. These are two very different processes. Engravings are a type of intaglio print. Wood engravings are a type of relief print.

    The proposal and the element definitions acknowledge that wood engravings are a type of relief print.  Amanda pointed out the RDA doesn't always align with external authorities, and I also believe that it's not necessary for RDA to align with all of the other sources and vocabularies that we use in our work. Technically, the current definition for engraver agent, etc. could accommodate wood engraver agent, etc. since the engraver definitions don't specify the intaglio process. However, multiple authorities confirm that engraving and wood engraving are fundamentally different, and this should be taken into consideration.



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    Jessica Grzegorski
    Rare Materials Metadata Librarian
    Northwestern University Libraries
    She/Her/Hers
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  • 5.  RE: Review of RSC/TranslationsTLO/2026/2 by July 3rd

    Posted 12 days ago

    I did not receive feedback from the Metadata Interest Group, but overall I support this proposal.  I would second Jessica Grzegorski's note about recommendation 2.  Engraving / engraver are typically used for intaglio printing, whereas wood engraving / wood engraver categorically denote relief printing.  I can understand why the "engraver" portion of "wood engraver agent" would lead to the conclusion that this should be a narrower term of "engraver agent," but establishing this hierarchy would go against the relief / intaglio / planographic categorization that is common for print classification and description, and cause confusion among the communities and catalogers who actually use these relationship elements.



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    Timothy Ryan Mendenhall (he/him)
    Metadata Librarian, Columbia University
    CORE Metadata Interest Group Liaison to CC:DA
    trm2151@columbia.edu
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  • 6.  RE: Review of RSC/TranslationsTLO/2026/2 by July 3rd

    Posted 12 days ago

    With the disclaimer that I don't work with rare materials, I overall support this proposal and agree with the addition of the newly proposed elements. But I defer to Jessica's (and others with more expertise on rare materials) recommendations for recommendation 2.



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    Chelsea Hoover
    MLA Liasion to CC:DA
    Catalog Librarian of Music
    Syracuse University Libraries
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  • 7.  RE: Review of RSC/TranslationsTLO/2026/2 by July 3rd

    Posted 12 days ago

    Recommendation 1

    I do not support this recommendation. As Kathy pointed out, if the proposed definition was worded to accommodate EURIG's concern about being able to use "scribe agent/etc." for published reproductions/facsimiles, then nesting the term under producer agent of unpublished manifestation undermines that. (Producer agent doesn't fit either based on its definition and scope.)

    I can see the similarity with calligrapher agent but the broader term for calligrapher agent, artist agent, does not contradict the narrower term. Similarly, the broader element for rubricator agent, related agent of manifestation, also does not contradict the narrower term.

    I appreciate that the wording of the "scribe agent/etc." elements are acceptable to EURIG, but I do not believe we should introduce contradictions into the RDA element structure and would like to see the broader terms addressed before I can support the recommendation.

    Recommendation 2

    I support Jessica's comments on the matter of the broader terms.

    Related, if the RSC does end up discussing the broader terms at their next meeting (as mentioned on p. 2) I think it would be very helpful to make a stronger distinction between intaglio and relief printing in RDA. As someone who only gets to dabble in rare materials cataloging, it was not obvious to me that (in the definition of engraver agent, for example) "cutting letters, figures, or other marks on a surface such as a wooden or metal plate used for printing" specifically meant intaglio and not relief.



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    Thumy Webb
    Original Cataloging Librarian
    Rice University, Houston TX
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