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  • 1.  Fwd: CORRECTION MAC papers and agenda for 2024 Annual meeting available online

    Posted May 29, 2024 09:03 AM
    Dear CC:DA Colleagues,

    I forward the current roster of new papers to come before the summer MARC Advisory Committee meetings. If you have feedback, please share it with me by the end of the day, Tuesday, June 18, 2024, so I can include it in the CC:DA response prior to the MAC meetings.

    To highlight the content, there are two primary themes of this meeting's papers – Linked Data and Internationalization. Specifics are below (and details can be found in the actual papers themselves). For what it is worth, the Discussion sections of the various papers provide further expositions on the nature of the content in $0 vs $1 and other aspects of linked data. They require a close read but may prove rewarding to anyone grappling with aspects of linked data and the possible "shape of things to come" in the linked data environment.

     

    Proposal 2024-05 would add URI subfields $0/$1 to fields 506 and 540 to provide linked data support to controlled vocabulary elements in those fields, it follows from the previous discussion paper, 2024-DP04.

     

    Discussion Paper 2024-DP06 explores expanding the use of URI subfields $0/$1 for field 024 from the authority format to the bibliographic format. This too would provide linked data support for this field.

     

    Discussion Paper 2024-DP07 explores improving the granularity of data in fields 508 and 511 in the context of aggregates by allowing the applicability of the data in a specific 508 or 511 to be paired with the specific content in an aggregate though the addition of a subfield $3 (Materials specified)

     

    Discussion Paper 2024-DP08 explores the addition of subfield $7 for recording data provenance to several bibliographical fields – 024, 506, 511, 540, and 586 – that escaped being addressed in Proposal 2022-05.

     

    Discussion Paper 2024-DP09 explores the addition of subfields to record relationship aspects $i/$4 to fields 368, 376, and 381 of the Authority format, as well as field 381 of the Bibliographic format.

     

    Discussion Paper 2024-DP10 explores the expansion of $b of the personal name fields (X00) of the Authority and Bibliographic formats to allow recording numerals in forms other than Roman numerals, for instances where such non-Roman numerals would be consistent with the script, language, or convention of the name recorded in the respective instance of the field. (An internationalization factor)

     

    Discussion Paper 2024-DP11 explores the expansion of data provenance codes in $7 (and equivalents) beyond those originally defined to now incorporate coding for transliterations schemes and the IETF Best Current Practice (BCP) 47 scheme.

     

     Regards,

    John


    PS: A reminder that it is my intention to step down as CC:DA Liaison at the end of my current term (Annual 2025). If you wish to embark on a Magical Journey of MARC Exploration, please reach out to me so you can shadow my efforts and "learn the ropes" in pursuit of your own appointment as my replacement.


    John Myers, Catalog & Metadata Librarian
    CC:DA Liaison to the MARC Advisory Committee
    Schaffer Library, Union College
    Schenectady NY 12308

    518-388-6623
    pronouns: he/him/his


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    From: Zagas, John G <jzag@loc.gov>
    Date: Fri, May 24, 2024 at 12:46 PM
    Subject: Re: CORRECTION MAC papers and agenda for 2024 Annual meeting available online
    To: <MAC@listserv.loc.gov>


    In yesterday's email, the title of Discussion Paper 2024-DP06 was incorrectly listed.

    It should be:

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP06: Adding Subfields $0 and $1 to Field 024 in the

    MARC 21 Bibliographic Format

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp06.html

     

     

    From: MARC Advisory Committee <MAC@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV> On Behalf Of Zagas, John G
    Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 6:20 PM
    To: MAC@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV
    Subject: MAC papers and agenda for 2024 Annual meeting available online

     

    The MARC Advisory Committee Annual Meeting agenda is available at:

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/an2024_age.html

      

    The MAC Chair, Cate Gerhart, requests that all pre-meeting comments

    about the papers be posted to the MARC Listserv before the end of the day

    on Tuesday, June 18, 2024.

     

    Information about meeting access will be posted in June.

     

     

    PROPOSALS

      

    Proposal No. 2024-01: Adding Subfields $0 and $1 to Fields 506 and

    540 in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-05.html

      

     

    DISCUSSION PAPERS

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP06: Adding Subfields $0 and $1 to Fields

    506 and 540 in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp06.html

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP07: Adding Subfield $3 to Fields 508 and

    511 in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp07.html

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP08: Adding Subfield $7 for Data Provenance

    to Additional Fields in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp08.html

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP09: Adding Subfields $i and $4 to Fields 368,

    376, and 381 in the MARC 21 Authority and Bibliographic Formats

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp09.html

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP10: Redefining Subfield $b in X00 Fields in

    the MARC 21 Authority and Bibliographic Formats

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp10.html

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP11: Tagging Transliteration Schemes and

    BCP 47 in Data Provenance Subfields in the MARC 21 Authority and

    Bibliographic Formats

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp11.html

     

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  • 2.  RE: Fwd: CORRECTION MAC papers and agenda for 2024 Annual meeting available online

    Posted 16 days ago
    Below are my draft responses to the MAC papers. Apologies for the late submission to you. Some particulars addressing the TL:DR aspect of the entirety of the responses:
    • Most of the papers are pretty straightforward, largely expanding applicability of various MARC details to additional fields. 
    • Paper DP10 does delve into "regnal" numbering and addressing an internationalization detail. 
    • I find Paper DP11 to be problematic, perhaps in no small part because I find the data provenance question itself to be problematic (but a horse out of the barn and nominally mandated by RDA). 
    All feedback is welcome, but any affirmations, enhancements, or correctives to the draft regarding DP11 would be especially appreciated.

    Again, if I could have your feedback by 5 pm, tomorrow, June 18.

    Regards,
    John

    Proposals

     

    2024-05 (Add subfields $0/$1 to fields 506 and 540):

    Support the inclusion of $0/$1 for fields 506 and 540, per the paper.

     

    Discussion Papers

     

    2024-DP06 (Add subfields $0/$1 to Field 024) replies:

    Support this paper.

    6.1 Yes.

    6.2 Yes.

    6.3 Yes.

    6.4 As $a is Not Repeatable, then $0/$1 should be Not Repeatable – there should be a "lock" between $a$2$0/$1

     

    2024-DP07 (Add subfield $3 to fields 508 and 511) replies:

    Enthusiastically support this paper.

    6.1 Yes.

    6.2 Yes.

    6.3 No.

     

    2024-DP08 (Add subfield $7 to various fields) replies:

    Support this paper.

    6.1 Yes (was surprised these weren't swept into 2022-05)

    6.2 Yes, this ground is well tilled in 2022-05

    6.3 Yes, a holistic approach would be desirable, as a distinct paper.

    6.4 No.

     

    2024-DP09 (Add subfields $i and $4 to fields 368, 376, and 381) replies:

    6.1 Generally, yes, as this would make the field contents more intelligible and perhaps actionable. A slight concern about catalogers getting lost in rabbit holes/indecision of deciding which term/code to enter.

    6.2 No.

    6.3 Wouldn't object to a fast-track if discussion points in that direction, but also wouldn't object to let this "ripen"

     

    2024-DP10 (Redefine subfield $b in Personal Name X00 fields) replies:

    6.1 In principle, yes. One might be concerned that "regnal" number perpetuates the Western bias that enlarging beyond Roman numerals is trying to achieve, although the effort to differentiate from intra-familial numberings is appreciated.

    6.2 It might be preferable to further explore the term "regnal" and possible alternatives.

    6.3 No, beyond the aforementioned concern with "regnal"

     

    2024-DP10 (Tagging Transliteration Schemes and BCP 47 in $7+ subfields) replies:

    A general comment: the complexities of the dynamic addressed and the solutions put forward, highlight the overall challenges of implementing 2022-05, not that it will be reversible.

    Unlike most discussion papers, this paper fails to ask if the use case has been made at all.

    6.1 Neither option is preferred. A more robust, flexible, and source-agnostic solution would be desirable.

    6.2 No. See 6.1

    6.3 See 6.1. This question should be addressed in the context of a better solution to the use case.

    6.4 There very well may be, but the challenges of solving the given use case need to be explored and resolved further before other considerations are taken up. Alternatively, given the current complexities, the authors should be responsible for considering further use cases.

    6.5 The glaring challenge is the incorporation of subfield delimiter notation within a given subfield. This is all tolerably clear when the real subfield delimiter and label are bolded, but that is not how MARC operates. I worked with an early ILS where the insertion of a subfield as a "$"+letter combination and the use of "$" as a text character were frequently confused. And then there is the challenge of the non-actionable text "Applies to subfield [letter]" The actual codes are practically unintelligible for human eye-reading; the text elements are unintelligible to the machines who can make use of the codes. What is the value of any of it?

    6.6 None of the syntax makes sense. The question should be, "Can it be expected that the proposed syntax would make sense for machine actionability?"


    John Myers, Catalog & Metadata Librarian
    CC:DA Liaison to MAC
    Schaffer Library, Union College
    Schenectady NY 12308

    518-388-6623
    pronouns: he/him/his


    On Wed, May 29, 2024 at 10:02 AM Myers, John <myersj@union.edu> wrote:
    Dear CC:DA Colleagues,

    I forward the current roster of new papers to come before the summer MARC Advisory Committee meetings. If you have feedback, please share it with me by the end of the day, Tuesday, June 18, 2024, so I can include it in the CC:DA response prior to the MAC meetings.

    To highlight the content, there are two primary themes of this meeting's papers – Linked Data and Internationalization. Specifics are below (and details can be found in the actual papers themselves). For what it is worth, the Discussion sections of the various papers provide further expositions on the nature of the content in $0 vs $1 and other aspects of linked data. They require a close read but may prove rewarding to anyone grappling with aspects of linked data and the possible "shape of things to come" in the linked data environment.

     

    Proposal 2024-05 would add URI subfields $0/$1 to fields 506 and 540 to provide linked data support to controlled vocabulary elements in those fields, it follows from the previous discussion paper, 2024-DP04.

     

    Discussion Paper 2024-DP06 explores expanding the use of URI subfields $0/$1 for field 024 from the authority format to the bibliographic format. This too would provide linked data support for this field.

     

    Discussion Paper 2024-DP07 explores improving the granularity of data in fields 508 and 511 in the context of aggregates by allowing the applicability of the data in a specific 508 or 511 to be paired with the specific content in an aggregate though the addition of a subfield $3 (Materials specified)

     

    Discussion Paper 2024-DP08 explores the addition of subfield $7 for recording data provenance to several bibliographical fields – 024, 506, 511, 540, and 586 – that escaped being addressed in Proposal 2022-05.

     

    Discussion Paper 2024-DP09 explores the addition of subfields to record relationship aspects $i/$4 to fields 368, 376, and 381 of the Authority format, as well as field 381 of the Bibliographic format.

     

    Discussion Paper 2024-DP10 explores the expansion of $b of the personal name fields (X00) of the Authority and Bibliographic formats to allow recording numerals in forms other than Roman numerals, for instances where such non-Roman numerals would be consistent with the script, language, or convention of the name recorded in the respective instance of the field. (An internationalization factor)

     

    Discussion Paper 2024-DP11 explores the expansion of data provenance codes in $7 (and equivalents) beyond those originally defined to now incorporate coding for transliterations schemes and the IETF Best Current Practice (BCP) 47 scheme.

     

     Regards,

    John


    PS: A reminder that it is my intention to step down as CC:DA Liaison at the end of my current term (Annual 2025). If you wish to embark on a Magical Journey of MARC Exploration, please reach out to me so you can shadow my efforts and "learn the ropes" in pursuit of your own appointment as my replacement.


    John Myers, Catalog & Metadata Librarian
    CC:DA Liaison to the MARC Advisory Committee
    Schaffer Library, Union College
    Schenectady NY 12308

    518-388-6623
    pronouns: he/him/his


    ---------- Forwarded message ---------


    In yesterday's email, the title of Discussion Paper 2024-DP06 was incorrectly listed.

    It should be:

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP06: Adding Subfields $0 and $1 to Field 024 in the

    MARC 21 Bibliographic Format

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp06.html

     

     

    From: MARC Advisory Committee <MAC@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV> On Behalf Of Zagas, John G
    Sent: Thursday, May 23, 2024 6:20 PM
    To: MAC@LISTSERV.LOC.GOV
    Subject: MAC papers and agenda for 2024 Annual meeting available online

     

    The MARC Advisory Committee Annual Meeting agenda is available at:

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/an2024_age.html

      

    The MAC Chair, Cate Gerhart, requests that all pre-meeting comments

    about the papers be posted to the MARC Listserv before the end of the day

    on Tuesday, June 18, 2024.

     

    Information about meeting access will be posted in June.

     

     

    PROPOSALS

      

    Proposal No. 2024-01: Adding Subfields $0 and $1 to Fields 506 and

    540 in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-05.html

      

     

    DISCUSSION PAPERS

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP06: Adding Subfields $0 and $1 to Fields

    506 and 540 in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp06.html

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP07: Adding Subfield $3 to Fields 508 and

    511 in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp07.html

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP08: Adding Subfield $7 for Data Provenance

    to Additional Fields in the MARC 21 Bibliographic Format

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp08.html

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP09: Adding Subfields $i and $4 to Fields 368,

    376, and 381 in the MARC 21 Authority and Bibliographic Formats

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp09.html

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP10: Redefining Subfield $b in X00 Fields in

    the MARC 21 Authority and Bibliographic Formats

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp10.html

     

    Discussion Paper No. 2024-DP11: Tagging Transliteration Schemes and

    BCP 47 in Data Provenance Subfields in the MARC 21 Authority and

    Bibliographic Formats

    https://www.loc.gov/marc/mac/2024/2024-dp11.html

     

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