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RE: Terminology: "element supertype / subtype"

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jul 21, 2021 01:52 PM
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Linda, Many thanks for shedding light on this issue. So now we know for sure that there is no distinction intended between „broader element / narrower element" and „element supertype / element subtype". This is very helpful.  Experts in the German-speaking community came across this question while ...

RE: Terminology: "element supertype / subtype"

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jul 20, 2021 10:18 AM
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Hello again, Maybe I'm just unlucky and everybody who could explain the terms "element supertype / subtype" and how these differ from "broader / narrower element" is on holiday at present. But when after five days there was only one response to my question (thanks again, Stephen!), speculating that ...

RE: Terminology: "element supertype / subtype"

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jul 15, 2021 09:58 AM
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Thanks,  Stephen! I must say I'm not yet convinced that it is a mere oversight. Because up to now, whenever I thought "This must surely be a mistake in the new Toolkit!" it was later explained to me that I was wrong and things were indeed intended exactly that way ;-) Also, what bothers me is that ...

Terminology: "element supertype / subtype"

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jul 14, 2021 10:26 AM
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I know what "super-elements" and "sub-elements" are. But can somebody please explain what "element supertype" and "element subtype" mean, or rather, where the difference is to an ordinary case of broader and narrower element? For example,  "creator person of work" has various narrower elements (e.g. ...

RE: Other title information and more in the official Toolkit

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Feb 02, 2021 05:03 AM
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Alan, I assume that basically what is meant is that if you have, e.g., a title proper, a parallel title and a variant title, you could map each of them to the Dublin Core element „Title". So as a result, you'd have three separate instances of this broad element, with the differences between the more ...

RE: Other title information and more in the official Toolkit

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Feb 01, 2021 01:57 PM
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Gordon, I'm aware that MARC 245 $b is not only used for other title information, but I don't see what that has to do with the discussion. In the recording format I use (the Pica format), there is a specific subfield which is only used for other title information. Other elements are recorded in separate ...

RE: Other title information and more in the official Toolkit

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jan 31, 2021 05:30 AM
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I'm still not quite sure which cases of recording other title information in 246 Kevin was referring to -- maybe something like this? 245 00 $aLibrary resources market place : $bLRMP. 246 10 $aLRMP But in this case, I believe the 246 is only used for reasons of indexing (to produce what we used ...

RE: Other title information and more in the official Toolkit

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jan 28, 2021 09:53 PM
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Yesterday, I wrote: ----------- I assume we're agreed that broader and narrower elements (element subtypes) are in a generic relationship, i.e. the relationship between a class and its types or kinds. The German DIN norm for thesauri defines this as a hierarchical relationship between two concepts, ...

RE: Other title information and more in the official Toolkit

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jan 28, 2021 01:45 PM
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Kevin, You need to help me a bit with MARC, as I'm not completely fluent there (we don't use it for recording here, but only as an exchange format): In which situations would you record other title information in 246? If you're thinking of the cases when other title information is taken from another ...

RE: Other title information and more in the official Toolkit

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jan 28, 2021 11:28 AM
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Gordon, I did some more thinking about the second part of your mail, where you explained about the relationship between the 'proper' and the parallel elements. I assume we're agreed that broader and narrower elements (element subtypes) are in a generic relationship, i.e. the relationship between ...

RE: Other title information and more in the official Toolkit

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jan 27, 2021 12:21 PM
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Gordon, I thank you for the courtesy of explaining. This saves me the time to report the oddities as mistakes via the feedback form. For the time being, I'll just reply to the first half of your mail (I haven't worked out the second part yet). Let me first point out that in German, other title ...

RE: Other title information and more in the official Toolkit

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jan 26, 2021 02:35 PM
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I just noted a third problem in this context, which I believe is due to the missing hierarchy between other title information and title of manifestation.  Compare the page for title proper with that for other title information. Can you spot the basic rule? I think it should correspond to this text in ...

RE: Other title information and more in the official Toolkit

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jan 26, 2021 02:16 PM
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Postscript: I agree that your suggestion of distinguishing between  "preferred title proper" and "parallel title proper" would solve one of the problems. Also, I find we need to be very careful with our wording: On the one hand, the official Toolkit uses the term "narrower element", e.g. place of manifestation ...

RE: Other title information and more in the official Toolkit

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jan 26, 2021 02:07 PM
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Stephen, Thanks for the input, but I don't think this does the trick. The new manifestation statements are a separate, alternative way of recording certain information. Instead of using the granular elements which we're all used to, we can now transcribe the whole thing as an undifferentiated chunk. ...

Other title information and more in the official Toolkit

Posted By Heidrun Wiesenmüller Jan 25, 2021 01:19 PM
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So, let's give the new RDA-L a try...! With the now official Toolkit, I'm often not sure whether things which I find odd are intentional or simply mistakes.  At present, I'm exceedingly puzzled by the elements other title information and parallel other title information. In the original Toolkit, both ...