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Chat Transcript 12-4-2009

12/04/2009 - 12:49pm

Adina Mulliken:Hello

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I'm here if anyone is trying to get in early. I'll keep checking my email 'til 1:00 eastern time in case anyone wants to reach me another way.

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My email is amullike@syr.edu

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Hi Melinda!

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Melinda Flannery:I just tried then realized I had to join the group to access the chat.

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Adina Mulliken:Oh, that's good to know. How did you join the group?

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Melinda Flannery:I'm afraid to get off this screen but there was a 'join' button by the group's name.

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A colleague forwarded the message but I didn't know I had to join.

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So, some people may have trouble getting in.

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Adina Mulliken:So that everyone knows, ALA Connect will automatically save a record of this session. I understand you can come back here to read it.

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Thanks Melinda

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Melinda Flannery:That's right. I also learned on previous chats that there is a character limit. That's why I'm sending short sentences.

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Adina Mulliken:Hi Helen! Did you get in okay?

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Helen Gbala:I can stay on the chat until about 2 pm EST

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Sarah Hamrick:Hello everybody.

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Thanks, Adina, for sending that explanation!

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Adina Mulliken:I'm glad that worked Sarah!

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Hi All, I actually have a conference call at the same time. So, if you don't mind, I will just lurk here. :-)

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Julia Gustafson:I discovered I needed to join the group, too, but now I'm here

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Adina Mulliken:Others are emailing for help... could someone who just joined tell me when/where you click the join link?

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Hi Adina, I clicked the link from the email you sent out.

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Adina Mulliken:Welcome Ranti! Glad you could "come"

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Thanks, Adina. :-)

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Adina Mulliken:I know you were already a member, Ranti, so if Sarah or anyone remembers where you click join, that info might help

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Sarah Hamrick:It's on the right -- if you go to the calendar and click on this group, you'll see Join on the right...under a list of options.

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I can't see it now because I've already joined, but it was some color -- yellow maybe?

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Julia Gustafson:click Join on the right hand column when you get to the universal accessibility interest group page

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Sarah Hamrick:And a clickable button.

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Christine Fletcher:The join button was here: http://connect.ala.org/node/75381 right hand colum

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Adina Mulliken:I'm glad you made it Christine! thanks you and Sarah

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Helen Gbala:I'm back. I just got kicked-out. I clicked on the "chat room" for this chat to get back

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Clayton Copeland:Hello, Everyone! Hope you are all having a wonderful day! Adina, thank you kindly for all of your efforts to arrange this for everyone!

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Adina Mulliken:It looks like a few people were getting knocked out

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Rebecca Power:Hi everyone, Glad to be here. I'm a reference librarian at University of Missouri-Kansas CIty.

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Christine Fletcher:This chat comes at a propitious itme--I just l learned to day about the Right to Read Coalition and the Adobe Digital accessibility issue.

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Julia Gustafson:tell us more about the adobe digital accessibility issue

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Adina Mulliken:I guess we should go ahead... looks like people have gotten in. I have a few business items to post and then I hope everyone will introduce themselves

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Debra Kimok:Hello everyone. I'm a librarian at the State University of New York in Plattsburgh. I teach an online Information and Technology literacy course.

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Adina Mulliken:The in person discussion meeting for UAIG at ALA Midwinter will be 8:00-10:00am Monday 1/18/10. Everyone at the conference is welcome to attend.

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Julia Gustafson:I'm the Access Services Librarian at The College of Wooster

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Adina Mulliken:So that everyone knows, ALA Connect will automatically save a record of this session. I understand you can come back here to read it.

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Axel Schmetzke:Hi there!

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Adina Mulliken:We need an ACRL member to be a Convener to lead UAIG next year, beginning this coming June. It is a fairly easy job, primarily just requiring scheduling some m

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primarily just requiring scheduling some meetings and rooms. If you would consider doing this, please contact Adina.

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Yay, I posted the business items and only got kicked out once:)

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Christine Fletcher:I think NFB sent a mass mailing to ALA members about teh Adobe accessibility issue --their ebook software does not allow for speech. They're working on it.

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Julia Gustafson:thanks

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Christine Fletcher:Oh and greetings from Mississippi State U. Where we may actually get snow this Sat.

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Clayton Copeland:Hello, everyone! I'm Clayton Copeland, and I'm currently a doctoral candidate at the University of South Carolina's School of Library and Information Science.

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Adina Mulliken:Yeah, I was talking with one of the people working on that Digital Editions issue. I don't know much except that it's pretty inaccessible she said

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Christine Fletcher:Oh so Adobe, In the meantime I think Cambridge used that software for textbooks. Some unhappy students right now.

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Debra Kimok:I'm interested in any advice/resources to assist me in making my online course universally accessible.

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Adina Mulliken:Cambridge University?

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Clayton Copeland:Any time line on when they expect to have the issues with Adobe resolved?

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Yes, Debra, that is also an interest area for me. Thanks for posing the question. :)

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Adina Mulliken:Debra, would this help? Introductory resources about web accessibility http://connect.ala.org/node/79199

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Christine Fletcher:Not sure if its the U or the publihser (a listerv member on DSSHE listserv recently just mentioned Cambridge).

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Debra Kimok:Thank you Adina! I'll add this to the list of things to research.

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Clayton Copeland:Yes, thank you kindly!

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Christine Fletcher:And Adobe has put out word that they are working on it. Expect to have it fixed "in the coming year".

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Julia Gustafson:I have a computer/workstation with Jaws, Open Book, and ZoomText. It gets little or no use right now. Are these services becoming outdated?

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Adina Mulliken:Debra & Clayton, some people said the link my colleague made about Libguides on that page is a straightforward place to start if you're new to it

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Christine Fletcher:FYI Reading Rights Coalition has been dealing with the Adobe issue.

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Debra Kimok:Great! Thanks again.

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Clayton Copeland:Thanks so much!

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Adina Mulliken:Julia, those are good frequently used applications... many students use laptops but I think it's still important to have them in the library too

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Axel Schmetzke:I am interested in ALA supporting a system that would help to collect and make available accessibility/usability info about all sorts of online info resources.

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Julia Gustafson:Where in your libraries to you place computer workstations with adaptive software?

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I like Axel's idea

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Adina Mulliken:Julia, we have one in the public area, 2 in a private room, 1 in Sci-tech library

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Axel Schmetzke:There is a good start at ...

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http://ascla.ala.org/toolkit/index.php?title=Accessibility_to_Library_Da...

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Adina Mulliken:The private room gets used most

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Julia Gustafson:what do others do with their workstations?

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Clayton Copeland:I also think this is a wonderful idea!

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Axel Schmetzke:...but includes, for the most part, only info provided by vendor.

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Adina Mulliken:Our students want laptops instead of desktops and the campus is thinking of getting thumbdrives for the screenreaders

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Christine Fletcher:We have our adapted workstations by the main reference desk.

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Adina Mulliken:Axle, thanks for bringing that up

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Axel Schmetzke:The Web2Access. University of Southampton, UK, provides an interesting model that could be followed. ...

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http://www.web2access.org.uk/

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Adina Mulliken:Sorry everyone keeps getting kicked out

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Clayton Copeland:I think the idea of thumbdrives is terrific in terms of increasing acessibility and usability. Could you share what some of the discussion has been in terms

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Julia Gustafson:am I back in now

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Clayton Copeland:of positive reception and also any hesitations?

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Christine Fletcher:Our campus ITS bought a ZoomText license package that allows all of ther campus computer lbs to have ahsortcut to ZT. 11 users can be using it at one time.

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Adina Mulliken:I think thumbdrives will be great if they work out the license... sounds promising right now

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Christine Fletcher:is that the ZT thumbdrives?

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Axel Schmetzke:It is interactive in that it invites anyone to contribute to the evaluation of Web 2.0 resources. Tools and other aids for the evaluation of resources are provi

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Adina Mulliken:What are ZT thumbdrives?

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They are looking at Jaws dongle

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Rebecca Power:@ Julia, our two adaptive technology stations are in the Information Commons with all the other computers.

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Julia Gustafson:are the public adaptive tech workstations used? or are the private room ones use?

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Adina Mulliken:Axle, is it easier for people to post on that site than on a wiki? Sorry, hard to look at it right now

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Christine Fletcher:ZoomText has a version that woks from a USB key and can work on mutilple PCs with fewer licenses.

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Adina Mulliken:Hi Simon!

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Rebecca Power:Our public adaptive tech stations are used by a few students.

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We have one student who used to use Dragon Naturally Speaking, but that's hard on a public terminal.

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So we are thinking of restructuring to have one public terminal and one in a private room like Adina mentioned.

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Christine Fletcher:PC on the raised table gets used by students who use wheelchairs, and the Zoom Text PCs get used. JAWS, not much use.

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Clayton Copeland:What are the students currently voicing as a preference re: public vs. private stations?

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Adina Mulliken:@Clayton, both

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Clayton Copeland:So they prefer having options regarding stations depending upon tasks?

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Rebecca Power:I'm interested in the physical accessibility of your information commons/reference areas.

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Israel Seiferth:I sent out a message about finding the "join" button. Proper lesson in accessibility.

12/04/2009 - 1:31pm

Adina Mulliken:Axle, do you have ideas how to get more library employees to contribute info about accessibility? I find many are new to accessibility and those who have...

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Rebecca Power:Our IC layout is very open with a lot of furniture, but few walls. It has been difficult for some students to navigate.

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Axel Schmetzke:Adina, Web2Access provides a kind of open database, which is searchable. It also provides guidance with the evaluation--for those who wish to contribute.

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Adina Mulliken:Axle, great, you answered the question I was just typing

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Rebecca Power:We are redesigning it and I'm trying to gather ideas to making it more easily navigated.

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Christine Fletcher:Our layout leaves a lot of open space to get to the ref desk. the adapted PCs are on the outside row for easy access.

12/04/2009 - 1:32pm

Israel Seiferth:Adina- is the archive of this chat available after we are done?

12/04/2009 - 1:34pm

Adina Mulliken:Thanks Israel... sorry I forgot I should have emailed LITA as well as uniaccess!

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Rebecca Power:@Clayton, Our students using JAWS & Zoomtext seem to be happy on the public stations, although they want them closer to the printers.

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But students who work with a helper or need to speak out loud to work need a more private space.

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Christine Fletcher:and our ref desk has two low ares at each side for consults.

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Did someone say something about a link to LibGudies accessibility info?

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Clayton Copeland:How many formal opportunities (i.e., surveys, focus groups, etc) are used to gather ideas from students who are differently-able regarding their ideas for impro

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improving accessibility?

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Thanks, Rebecca and Adina.

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Christine Fletcher:Each of our ref librarians has a private office with a glass door to close--ofers some privacy for consults.

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Rebecca Power:@Clayton, I'd say there are few formal opportunities although we are going to try to make that happen as we redesign our IC. We need to hear from the users

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instead of speculating (which is where I feel I am right now)

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Julia Gustafson:Have any of you found moving your workstations from private to public areas encouraged more use?

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Clayton Copeland:Personally and based upon some research work in which I've had the privilege of working with patrons who are differently-able, I think we have a critical need

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and opportunity to hera patrons' voices.

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* hear

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Christine Fletcher:Our recent LibQual survey left room fro any commetns, and we solicit informal feedback when Disabled Services conduct tours.

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Israel Seiferth:Has anyone else embarked on a accessibility survey of library electronic resources?

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Adina Mulliken:Yes, the archive is available

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Clayton Copeland:Good to know. Thanks, Christine.

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Christine Fletcher:Perhaps LiubQual could develop a survey module for disability needs?

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Julia Gustafson:RE Israel's comment - no. Do you know of any?

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Israel, what do you mean by survey and to whom?

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Israel Seiferth:Well, I am presently conducting one. using a bobby like website then readability with JAWS and Read/Write Gold

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Clayton Copeland:That sounds like an avenue with possibilities.

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Julia Gustafson:Israel - after you do this, you should consider writing/publishing an article about it.

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S.G. Ranti Junus:There is a group from UIUC and work with several vendors on e-resources acessibility

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Adina Mulliken:Here's Syracuse U's guide to Libguide accessibility http://researchguides.library.syr.edu/content.php?pid=31563&sid=378014

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Axel Schmetzke:Israel, I created a web page to accessibilty surveys of one kind or another ....

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Clayton Copeland:Christina, my last comment was meant for you, and Israel's work sounds important, too.

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Axel Schmetzke:....http://library.uwsp.edu/aschmetz/Accessible/websurveys.htm....

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Israel Seiferth:Julia- I plan too. and I'll check that out axel

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S.G. Ranti Junus:http://cita.disability.uiuc.edu/collaborate/ - Check their link to EBSCO, ExLibris, and Elsevier

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Clayton Copeland:Thank you for sharing this, Axel

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Helen Gbala:I am getting many messages to stop the script

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Adina Mulliken:One challenge w studies of blind students is there are so few in higher ed and they can be swamped w research requests... offering paying them

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Axel Schmetzke:For accessibility info on one resources other than websites, also check ....

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http://library.uwsp.edu/aschmetz/Accessible/pub_Resources.htm#Further_Info

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Israel Seiferth:I didn't see an answer previously. Are these chats archived for later refer

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Adina Mulliken:Yes, chat is archived

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Axel Schmetzke:You need to scoll down a bit to get to the various categories ...

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Clayton Copeland:Me, too Helen

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Adina Mulliken:Sorry everyone keeps getting kicked out.. this chat obviously isn't working well

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Axel Schmetzke:... Google, Flash, PDFs, math & science, etc ...

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Helen Gbala:Where is the meeting at ALA Boston?

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Israel Seiferth:Seems like some problem with the script

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* S.G. Ranti Junus mutters about being kicked out by the chat bot.

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Axel Schmetzke:For once, the system works for me. (Knock on wood.)

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Adina Mulliken:I don't know where the meeting will be in Boston yet... I'll post it in ALA Connect and on uniaccess listserv

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Helen Gbala:See some at ALA

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Sarah Hamrick:I just got a pdf of the meetings.

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Let me check

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Israel Seiferth:For those having problems, I was having script problems in Firefox, but chrome runs smoothly

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Meeting: Monday Jan 18, 8-10am, Marriott, Yarmouth room

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Sarah Hamrick:It's at the Marriott Copley Place -- Yarmouth Room

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Adina Mulliken:Thanks all, for the location!

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You are welcome to join the listserv for UAIG. Go to http://lists.ala.org/sympa/info/uniaccess

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Christine Fletcher:OK trying this in IE since Firefox gave me Stop Scrpoit messages every few seconds.

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Adina thnx for teh LibGuides link.

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Clayton-I;d liek to survey our disabled students on thier computer experience and what equipment they have already

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FYI IE seems to be behaving much better than Firefox.

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Adina Mulliken:I've found w blind students it's practical to get to know them in person as they're a small group at most schools, unfortunately

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Christine, does your university have a unit that helping students with disabilities?

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Adina Mulliken:I tried emailing them via Office of Disability Services in the past and got no response

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Clayton Copeland:That's a good idea, Christine.

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Christine Fletcher:Yes we have several counselors for our Student Support Services office.

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Clayton Copeland:\

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I've had similar experiences when going through the Office of Disability Servives, Adina.

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Here at Michigan State, we have one called Resource Center for Person with Diabilities (RCPD). The Library works closely together with them.

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Adina Mulliken:I started getting to know the blind students by trying to offer reference help

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Christine Fletcher:But they really don't survey students either.

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Clayton Copeland:I don't know if messages didn't get forwarded, etc.

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Adina Mulliken:It took me quite a while to learn how to use a screen reader enough to be effective w reference help!

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But I think it would be easier to learn if I had spent more focused time on it

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Clayton Copeland:How much surveying do the Offices of Disability Services do with the students themselves, and how much to the counselors offer their own voices vs. the students

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Adina Mulliken:There are only about 4 students at our University so it wouldn't be that practical to survey them

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Sorry, I'm talking about blind students... you're probably talking abotu all groups w disabilties

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Clayton Copeland:How about students with other challenges - mobility, learning, hearing, etc.?

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I think we were typing at the same time. :)

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Christine Fletcher:ur disability counselors have not been so helpful with feedback.

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Our

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Clayton Copeland:I think it is WONDERFUL, and I applaud you for taking the time to personally get to know and help the students.

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Adina Mulliken:Thanks Clayton!

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The student who had the patience to bumble around w me on the screen reader first was pretty new to screen readers herself

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Christine Fletcher:We have found that if a librairan makes friends with a disabled student, that student will come back and ask questions. Its our best outreach so far. one-on-o

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Julia Gustafson:we tend to get students with learning disabilities - dyslexia, ADD, ADHD - only a very occasional other disability

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Adina Mulliken:It would probably be easier for other librarians to work with a student who is more experiences

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Clayton Copeland:Perhaps we could begin looking at disability groups and perhaps honors societies for students with disabilities as places to speak with students

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That was meant as a question, but I ran out of typing space.

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:)

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Julia Gustafson:I get referrals from our learning center where our students with disabilities get help

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Christine Fletcher:we do have a disability student group on campus. talking at one of their meetings could be helpful.

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Julia Gustafson:On our campus, the learning center encourages self-disclosure on the part of the student and we don't actually have disability groups to speak of

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S.G. Ranti Junus:We are in the same situation like Julia's campus. The students are self-identified.

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Julia Gustafson:I guess our best connection is referral from our learning center and our administration

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Rebecca Power:Our campus is the same-- no student group. There used to be one called the eclectic learners, but the students graduated and new students weren't interested

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Clayton Copeland:Good to know. Thanks for sharing how everything works within everyone's different universities. It's helpful to know.

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Adina Mulliken:Sounds like a good idea to me Christine. On my campus the blind students haven't participated in the disability activist group much in recent years, but the

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student group is a very good resource

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Clayton Copeland:Some offices of disability services may not permit this per privacy concerns, etc., but many of them do have listservs. Has anyone asked to be added to the list

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serv and then used that as a venue to communicate directly with students?

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Julia Gustafson:I guess I get the best information from the individual students themselves in terms of their needs. But I have had very few referrals of late.

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Adina Mulliken:Julia, what kind of requests do you get?

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Christine Fletcher:We have learned that if a disabled student has one bad expereince, they will not come back. We strive to avoid that.

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Clayton Copeland:It's great that you do take the time to meet with the students who are willing, though. :)

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S.G. Ranti Junus:I think it's a good idea to ask the office of disability services about stuff they need to do in helping students accessing library resources...

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Julia Gustafson:One year I had a dyslexic student using open book to read his text books. Another year, I had a visually handicapped student using a screen magnifier

12/04/2009 - 2:08pm

S.G. Ranti Junus:including any issues they encountered and the work around they did.

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Israel Seiferth:We are working with our office in terms of seeing what resources are already accessible and what we need to rectify

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Julia Gustafson:Another time I had a couple ADHD students using jaws with microsoft word.

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Our population needs are so few, however, and I'm wondering if students are now coming with their own accomdations

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Adina Mulliken:Julia, how much did the library or school do with preping the textbooks for the student w open book?

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Israel: that's awesome. I'd like to do that too.

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Christine Fletcher:A legally blind student I've known since her was a freshamn is applyign for grad school. i could do a dance when that happens. So soemthing we do is working.

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Christine: that is great!

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Julia Gustafson:The students use open book on their own with training from me. Our campus does not scan for students

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Israel, that's a great idea

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Adina Mulliken:Julia, it's great you know how to do it.

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Israel Seiferth:We have 170 or so databases so I need some help anyway :D

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Julia Gustafson:I'm getting rusty at it, though - no users of late

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I'm at only a very basic level

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Julia should do a preconference for us on how to operate screen reader! :-)

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Adina Mulliken:Our Office of Disabiltiy Services does not have an expert in web accessibiltiy or screen readers... one staff person knows some though... I wonder if that's

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common

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Julia Gustafson:I have found, however, that the electronic environment for students with learning disabilities is a godsend

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Israel Seiferth:Anyone use Read/Write Gold? Much easier to operate thatn JAWS

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Adina Mulliken:I heard there is a few tutorial on Freedom Scientific's website for Jaws now

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free not few

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Julia Gustafson:when I have students sent to me for one on one research appts - not for asst tech - just research appts, I can help them better now than years ago in the

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all print environment

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Adina Mulliken:I heard there's a free tutorial for Window Eyes too

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Israel, I hadn't heard of it. Is it proprietary?

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Christine Fletcher:Most of our jorals are online-only now. Its really helped with access. The blind students don't have to wait for a human reader.

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journals

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Adina, could have collect those information re. tutorials? Any place where we could chip in the info?

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Julia Gustafson:How are blind students navigating adobe pdf's?

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Christine Fletcher:Adina--thnx for the info--I'm going to look for the JAWS tutorial

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Julia Gustafson:Does this group have a wiki?

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Adina Mulliken:Ranti, maybe we should add it to the other doc on ALA Connect?

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Jaws takes some time to learn (tho I'm slow) but it's worth it!

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Adina: I think you're right. I just don't remember if the document is editable like a wiki.

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Christine Fletcher:I think some PDFs--if formatted from OCR--will work with screen readers. I guess otherwise they print and use something like OpenBook.

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Israel Seiferth:http://www.readwritegold.com/

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Adina Mulliken:I think it is... anyway there are lots of places to post stuff in Universal Accessibility group on ALA Connect

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Israel Seiferth:30 day free demo

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Adina Mulliken:Thanks Israel

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Israel Seiferth:I find it much easier to navigate than JAWS (and able to read things JAWS can't

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Adina Mulliken:Jaws has the biggest market share according to a not stat. significant study by Webaim a few weeks ago...

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Thanks, Israel.

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Adina Mulliken:so I think it helps to know what the users know... but good to know alternatives too... what does it do better than Jaws?

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Julia Gustafson:It's been a long time since I showed someon how to use JAWS, so every time I do, I need to do some review.

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Even then, I'm at a very basic level with JAWS

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S.G. Ranti Junus:I also use other toos: ww.satogo.com and nvda (http://www.nvda-project.org/)

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Israel Seiferth:Want to teach me Julia? It confounds me to no end

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Julia Gustafson:Is it important to keep the JAWS, Open Book, Zoomtext up-to-date with the latest versions or are older versions fine

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Adina Mulliken:Julia... me too... I don't know it well

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Both satogo and nvda are the ones suggested by our usability/accessibility services here.

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Julia Gustafson:Got a summer leave to spend learning? ;)

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Christine Fletcher:I think as long as we're running Windows XP, we can use our exisitng versions of ZT and JAWS. Upgrading to Win7 could be another issue.

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Julia Gustafson:Just trying to asses what we should invest since our users are so few and far between

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Israel Seiferth:We run a JAWS thats, Ibeleive 2 versions behind

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Julia Gustafson:Good, I feel better....

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Adina Mulliken:Rebecca, any ideas from your experience w arranging the learning commons?

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Clayton Copeland:Is anyone familiar with Dr. Norm Coombs and EASI? This organization often offers webinars on JAWS and other programs?

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Rebecca Power:Adina, I still haven't had a chance to speak with our head of the office of disability studies about it, but he is going to get me in touch with some students

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to try to find out what kind of spaces are most accessible

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I'm guessing there must be some literature out there about how to create open, yet still accessible areas.

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Clayton Copeland:Oh, that's a great opportunity, Rebecca. Would you be willing to keep us posted on how that goes?

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Rebecca Power:But I haven't investigated yet.

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Christine Fletcher:Been ages since I took and EASI workshop. They are very knowledgeable. I still miss Dick Banks.

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Rebecca Power:@Clayton. Absolutely, I'd be happy to share what we find out.

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Clayton Copeland:Yes, I understand he was wonderful and touched many lives.

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Adina Mulliken:I don't think EASI teaches Jaws but I thought their courses were useful

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Clayton Copeland:Thank you, Rebecca. I'll really be looking forward to it. I am very interested in the lived experiences of students who are differently-able

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Christine Fletcher:EASI has a nice varitey of workshops, from intro to stuff for your library systems folks.

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Clayton Copeland:Oh, ok, thanks, Adina. I must have been mistaken about JAWS. JAWS must have been mentioned on the EASI listserv recently.

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Israel Seiferth:http://people.rit.edu/easi/

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Adina Mulliken:yes, that would be interesting Rebecca. There's a mobility trainer for blind students at S.U. who gives us advice occassionally

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Axel Schmetzke:EASI still offers workshops--thanks to Norm Coombs.

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Christine Fletcher:I took workshops with Norm back in the 90's. EASI is a truely experienced bunch.

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Adina Mulliken:Clayton, I just meant I don't think they don't have courses focused on Jaws. they do talk about screen readers tho of course.

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Axel Schmetzke:Speaking about EASI. They also support a library accessibility discussion group, similar to this one. ...

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http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?A0=AXSLIB-L

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Clayton Copeland:Yes, I see on the website that they'll be offering workshops, etc. on Windows 7 and accessibility

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Axel Schmetzke:It's not very busy. You might consider joining that group, too.

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Clayton Copeland:Thanks, Axel. :)

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Axel: thanks!

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Christine Fletcher:Axel I was just about to ask if AXIS-LIb was still active--you answered my question.

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Axel Schmetzke:Yes, it is. Mostly announcements recently. But once in a while an interesting discussion.

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Adina Mulliken:Someone wanted to talk about Univeral Design in Information Literacy courses ... any ideas on that?

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Axel Schmetzke:It's international on scope. So sometimes you get the British, etc. perspective.

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S.G. Ranti Junus:I ahven't checked their site yet, but is there a fee to take their workshop?

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Adina Mulliken:Some are for a fee

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Axel Schmetzke:Fees at EASI--for some workshops yes; others are free, Watch the announcement on the listserv I just mentioned

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Adina: Univ.Design in InfoLit - that's a big topic!

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Adina Mulliken:Do you teach info lit Ranti? I teach mostly one shot sessions

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Axel Schmetzke:A very important topic--especially as we create more and more interactive IL tutorials.

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S.G. Ranti Junus:I don't teach info lit. But universal design could be approached from many angles.

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Adina Mulliken:Yeah, does anyone know about screen reader accessibiltiy for some interactive courses?

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Julia Gustafson:we're in the middle of a web site redesign. Does anyone know if drop down menus are accessible?

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Adina Mulliken:I think Contribute software isn't good for screen readers, but wonder if there's some way to make it work

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Adina: it's tricky. Even if the interactive courses are screen-readable, that doesn't always mean the way it's presented would makes sense.

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Adina Mulliken:Ranti, yes, that's what I ran into... i.e. an alt text description of a screen shot isn't so great

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Axel Schmetzke:As a member of the editorial board of Library Hi Tech, I'd would encourge anyone who is interest ...

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Adine: Sighted people many times forget or perhaps don't know how blind users interact with the content.

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Axel Schmetzke:to submit research studies on various angle of online accessibility ....

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Especially one on the accessibility of IL tutorials is badly needed.

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Adina Mulliken:Thanks Axel. Yes, Ranti... I don't know how you'd make it work....

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Thanks, Axel.

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Adina Mulliken:I tried making recording of Jaws reading the screen but then couldn't find a screen reader accessible media player

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Clayton Copeland:Yes, thank you Axel! :)

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Adina Mulliken:Since it's getting close to 3:00, I'll post the business items again for people who missed it before

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The in person discussion meeting for UAIG at ALA Midwinter will be 8:00-10:00am Monday 1/18/10. Everyone at the conference is welcome to attend.

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Axel Schmetzke:I've guest edited special-theme issues an accessibility/usability in Library Hi Tech before ....

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Christine Fletcher:Julia--for drop down menus, this site indcludes code: http://www.webaim.org/techniques/forms/controls.php

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Axel Schmetzke:...if there's enough interest I'd work on a fourth one.

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Julia Gustafson:Thanks, Christine.

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Clayton Copeland:Yes, and I'd like to thank you for your contributions, Axel. I've found them mikst helpful.

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most

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Rebecca Power:Axel, I love those themed issues from Library Hi Tech. They are so useful and really seem to fill a hole in the literature.

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Israel Seiferth:Thanks all

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Christine Fletcher:good discussion

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Axel Schmetzke:I'm glad to hear that. Thanks, folks!

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Adina Mulliken:Axel, me too, I quote your articles and others in that issue A LOT

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We need an ACRL member to be a Convener to lead UAIG next year, beginning this coming June. It is a fairly easy job. If you would consider doing this, please

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contact me

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Clayton Copeland:Thank you again, Adina, for all of your efforts arranging the discussion. I look forward to future discussions, as well.

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Axel, that's a good one.

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Hi all, I requested you to be my contact through ALA Connect, so please don't be surprised. :-)

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Axel Schmetzke:Thankseveryone, especially Adina for getting this going. Good bye.

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Rebecca Power:Thanks very much, Adina!

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Adina Mulliken:Thanks everyone! Hope to see you at ALA or in future chats!

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S.G. Ranti Junus:Yes, thank you, Adina. This is great. I'm glad I'm able to participate eventually. :-)

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Sarah Hamrick:Thanks Adina!

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Julia Gustafson:Thanks, all, especially Adina for arranging this!!

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Christine Fletcher:Thank you Adina!

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Adina Mulliken:Sorry for the repeats, but since everyone kept getting kicked out and may have missed it:

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ALA Connect will automatically save a record of this session. I understand you can come back here to read it.

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You are welcome to join the listserv for UAIG. Go to

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http://lists.ala.org/sympa/info/uniaccess

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If you haven’t subscribed to an ALA list before, you have to choose the tiny link

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for “First login” under the password box on the left. You don’t have to be an ALA member to join.

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Christine Fletcher:just joined!

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S.G. Ranti Junus:OK. Hope to see you at ALA MW! Take care!