12/04/2009 - 12:49pm | Adina Mulliken:Hello |
12/04/2009 - 12:50pm | I'm here if anyone is trying to get in early. I'll keep checking my email 'til 1:00 eastern time in case anyone wants to reach me another way. |
12/04/2009 - 12:51pm | My email is amullike@syr.edu |
12/04/2009 - 12:51pm | Hi Melinda! |
12/04/2009 - 12:51pm | Melinda Flannery:I just tried then realized I had to join the group to access the chat. |
12/04/2009 - 12:51pm | Adina Mulliken:Oh, that's good to know. How did you join the group? |
12/04/2009 - 12:52pm | Melinda Flannery:I'm afraid to get off this screen but there was a 'join' button by the group's name. |
12/04/2009 - 12:52pm | A colleague forwarded the message but I didn't know I had to join. |
12/04/2009 - 12:52pm | So, some people may have trouble getting in. |
12/04/2009 - 12:53pm | Adina Mulliken:So that everyone knows, ALA Connect will automatically save a record of this session. I understand you can come back here to read it. |
12/04/2009 - 12:53pm | Thanks Melinda |
12/04/2009 - 12:53pm | Melinda Flannery:That's right. I also learned on previous chats that there is a character limit. That's why I'm sending short sentences. |
12/04/2009 - 12:55pm | Adina Mulliken:Hi Helen! Did you get in okay? |
12/04/2009 - 12:56pm | Helen Gbala:I can stay on the chat until about 2 pm EST |
12/04/2009 - 12:57pm | Sarah Hamrick:Hello everybody. |
12/04/2009 - 12:57pm | Thanks, Adina, for sending that explanation! |
12/04/2009 - 12:58pm | Adina Mulliken:I'm glad that worked Sarah! |
12/04/2009 - 1:00pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Hi All, I actually have a conference call at the same time. So, if you don't mind, I will just lurk here. :-) |
12/04/2009 - 1:00pm | Julia Gustafson:I discovered I needed to join the group, too, but now I'm here |
12/04/2009 - 1:02pm | Adina Mulliken:Others are emailing for help... could someone who just joined tell me when/where you click the join link? |
12/04/2009 - 1:03pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Hi Adina, I clicked the link from the email you sent out. |
12/04/2009 - 1:04pm | Adina Mulliken:Welcome Ranti! Glad you could "come" |
12/04/2009 - 1:04pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Thanks, Adina. :-) |
12/04/2009 - 1:05pm | Adina Mulliken:I know you were already a member, Ranti, so if Sarah or anyone remembers where you click join, that info might help |
12/04/2009 - 1:05pm | Sarah Hamrick:It's on the right -- if you go to the calendar and click on this group, you'll see Join on the right...under a list of options. |
12/04/2009 - 1:05pm | I can't see it now because I've already joined, but it was some color -- yellow maybe? |
12/04/2009 - 1:05pm | Julia Gustafson:click Join on the right hand column when you get to the universal accessibility interest group page |
12/04/2009 - 1:05pm | Sarah Hamrick:And a clickable button. |
12/04/2009 - 1:05pm | Christine Fletcher:The join button was here: https://connect.ala.org/communities/community-home/librarydocuments/viewdocument?DocumentKey=49c5fc44-e12b-45fd-8b1c-60235254e0f4 right hand colum |
12/04/2009 - 1:06pm | Adina Mulliken:I'm glad you made it Christine! thanks you and Sarah |
12/04/2009 - 1:06pm | Helen Gbala:I'm back. I just got kicked-out. I clicked on the "chat room" for this chat to get back |
12/04/2009 - 1:08pm | Clayton Copeland:Hello, Everyone! Hope you are all having a wonderful day! Adina, thank you kindly for all of your efforts to arrange this for everyone! |
12/04/2009 - 1:08pm | Adina Mulliken:It looks like a few people were getting knocked out |
12/04/2009 - 1:08pm | Rebecca Power:Hi everyone, Glad to be here. I'm a reference librarian at University of Missouri-Kansas CIty. |
12/04/2009 - 1:09pm | Christine Fletcher:This chat comes at a propitious itme--I just l learned to day about the Right to Read Coalition and the Adobe Digital accessibility issue. |
12/04/2009 - 1:09pm | Julia Gustafson:tell us more about the adobe digital accessibility issue |
12/04/2009 - 1:10pm | Adina Mulliken:I guess we should go ahead... looks like people have gotten in. I have a few business items to post and then I hope everyone will introduce themselves |
12/04/2009 - 1:10pm | Debra Kimok:Hello everyone. I'm a librarian at the State University of New York in Plattsburgh. I teach an online Information and Technology literacy course. |
12/04/2009 - 1:11pm | Adina Mulliken:The in person discussion meeting for UAIG at ALA Midwinter will be 8:00-10:00am Monday 1/18/10. Everyone at the conference is welcome to attend. |
12/04/2009 - 1:11pm | Julia Gustafson:I'm the Access Services Librarian at The College of Wooster |
12/04/2009 - 1:11pm | Adina Mulliken:So that everyone knows, ALA Connect will automatically save a record of this session. I understand you can come back here to read it. |
12/04/2009 - 1:11pm | Axel Schmetzke:Hi there! |
12/04/2009 - 1:11pm | Adina Mulliken:We need an ACRL member to be a Convener to lead UAIG next year, beginning this coming June. It is a fairly easy job, primarily just requiring scheduling some m |
12/04/2009 - 1:12pm | primarily just requiring scheduling some meetings and rooms. If you would consider doing this, please contact Adina. |
12/04/2009 - 1:12pm | Yay, I posted the business items and only got kicked out once:) |
12/04/2009 - 1:12pm | Christine Fletcher:I think NFB sent a mass mailing to ALA members about teh Adobe accessibility issue --their ebook software does not allow for speech. They're working on it. |
12/04/2009 - 1:13pm | Julia Gustafson:thanks |
12/04/2009 - 1:13pm | Christine Fletcher:Oh and greetings from Mississippi State U. Where we may actually get snow this Sat. |
12/04/2009 - 1:14pm | Clayton Copeland:Hello, everyone! I'm Clayton Copeland, and I'm currently a doctoral candidate at the University of South Carolina's School of Library and Information Science. |
12/04/2009 - 1:14pm | Adina Mulliken:Yeah, I was talking with one of the people working on that Digital Editions issue. I don't know much except that it's pretty inaccessible she said |
12/04/2009 - 1:14pm | Christine Fletcher:Oh so Adobe, In the meantime I think Cambridge used that software for textbooks. Some unhappy students right now. |
12/04/2009 - 1:15pm | Debra Kimok:I'm interested in any advice/resources to assist me in making my online course universally accessible. |
12/04/2009 - 1:15pm | Adina Mulliken:Cambridge University? |
12/04/2009 - 1:15pm | Clayton Copeland:Any time line on when they expect to have the issues with Adobe resolved? |
12/04/2009 - 1:16pm | Yes, Debra, that is also an interest area for me. Thanks for posing the question. :) |
12/04/2009 - 1:16pm | Adina Mulliken:Debra, would this help? Introductory resources about web accessibility https://connect.ala.org/communities/community-home/librarydocuments/viewdocument?DocumentKey=49c5fc44-e12b-45fd-8b1c-60235254e0f4 |
12/04/2009 - 1:17pm | Christine Fletcher:Not sure if its the U or the publihser (a listerv member on DSSHE listserv recently just mentioned Cambridge). |
12/04/2009 - 1:17pm | Debra Kimok:Thank you Adina! I'll add this to the list of things to research. |
12/04/2009 - 1:17pm | Clayton Copeland:Yes, thank you kindly! |
12/04/2009 - 1:17pm | Christine Fletcher:And Adobe has put out word that they are working on it. Expect to have it fixed "in the coming year". |
12/04/2009 - 1:18pm | Julia Gustafson:I have a computer/workstation with Jaws, Open Book, and ZoomText. It gets little or no use right now. Are these services becoming outdated? |
12/04/2009 - 1:18pm | Adina Mulliken:Debra & Clayton, some people said the link my colleague made about Libguides on that page is a straightforward place to start if you're new to it |
12/04/2009 - 1:18pm | Christine Fletcher:FYI Reading Rights Coalition has been dealing with the Adobe issue. |
12/04/2009 - 1:19pm | Debra Kimok:Great! Thanks again. |
12/04/2009 - 1:19pm | Clayton Copeland:Thanks so much! |
12/04/2009 - 1:19pm | Adina Mulliken:Julia, those are good frequently used applications... many students use laptops but I think it's still important to have them in the library too |
12/04/2009 - 1:19pm | Axel Schmetzke:I am interested in ALA supporting a system that would help to collect and make available accessibility/usability info about all sorts of online info resources. |
12/04/2009 - 1:20pm | Julia Gustafson:Where in your libraries to you place computer workstations with adaptive software? |
12/04/2009 - 1:20pm | I like Axel's idea |
12/04/2009 - 1:21pm | Adina Mulliken:Julia, we have one in the public area, 2 in a private room, 1 in Sci-tech library |
12/04/2009 - 1:21pm | Axel Schmetzke:There is a good start at ... |
12/04/2009 - 1:21pm | http://ascla.ala.org/toolkit/index.php?title=Accessibility_to_Library_Databases_and_Other_Online_Library_Resources_for_People_with_Disabilities |
12/04/2009 - 1:21pm | Adina Mulliken:The private room gets used most |
12/04/2009 - 1:21pm | Julia Gustafson:what do others do with their workstations? |
12/04/2009 - 1:21pm | Clayton Copeland:I also think this is a wonderful idea! |
12/04/2009 - 1:21pm | Axel Schmetzke:...but includes, for the most part, only info provided by vendor. |
12/04/2009 - 1:22pm | Adina Mulliken:Our students want laptops instead of desktops and the campus is thinking of getting thumbdrives for the screenreaders |
12/04/2009 - 1:22pm | Christine Fletcher:We have our adapted workstations by the main reference desk. |
12/04/2009 - 1:22pm | Adina Mulliken:Axle, thanks for bringing that up |
12/04/2009 - 1:23pm | Axel Schmetzke:The Web2Access. University of Southampton, UK, provides an interesting model that could be followed. ... |
12/04/2009 - 1:23pm | http://www.web2access.org.uk/ |
12/04/2009 - 1:23pm | Adina Mulliken:Sorry everyone keeps getting kicked out |
12/04/2009 - 1:23pm | Clayton Copeland:I think the idea of thumbdrives is terrific in terms of increasing acessibility and usability. Could you share what some of the discussion has been in terms |
12/04/2009 - 1:24pm | Julia Gustafson:am I back in now |
12/04/2009 - 1:24pm | Clayton Copeland:of positive reception and also any hesitations? |
12/04/2009 - 1:24pm | Christine Fletcher:Our campus ITS bought a ZoomText license package that allows all of ther campus computer lbs to have ahsortcut to ZT. 11 users can be using it at one time. |
12/04/2009 - 1:24pm | Adina Mulliken:I think thumbdrives will be great if they work out the license... sounds promising right now |
12/04/2009 - 1:24pm | Christine Fletcher:is that the ZT thumbdrives? |
12/04/2009 - 1:24pm | Axel Schmetzke:It is interactive in that it invites anyone to contribute to the evaluation of Web 2.0 resources. Tools and other aids for the evaluation of resources are provi |
12/04/2009 - 1:25pm | Adina Mulliken:What are ZT thumbdrives? |
12/04/2009 - 1:25pm | They are looking at Jaws dongle |
12/04/2009 - 1:25pm | Rebecca Power:@ Julia, our two adaptive technology stations are in the Information Commons with all the other computers. |
12/04/2009 - 1:26pm | Julia Gustafson:are the public adaptive tech workstations used? or are the private room ones use? |
12/04/2009 - 1:26pm | Adina Mulliken:Axle, is it easier for people to post on that site than on a wiki? Sorry, hard to look at it right now |
12/04/2009 - 1:26pm | Christine Fletcher:ZoomText has a version that woks from a USB key and can work on mutilple PCs with fewer licenses. |
12/04/2009 - 1:26pm | Adina Mulliken:Hi Simon! |
12/04/2009 - 1:27pm | Rebecca Power:Our public adaptive tech stations are used by a few students. |
12/04/2009 - 1:27pm | We have one student who used to use Dragon Naturally Speaking, but that's hard on a public terminal. |
12/04/2009 - 1:28pm | So we are thinking of restructuring to have one public terminal and one in a private room like Adina mentioned. |
12/04/2009 - 1:28pm | Christine Fletcher:PC on the raised table gets used by students who use wheelchairs, and the Zoom Text PCs get used. JAWS, not much use. |
12/04/2009 - 1:28pm | Clayton Copeland:What are the students currently voicing as a preference re: public vs. private stations? |
12/04/2009 - 1:28pm | Adina Mulliken:@Clayton, both |
12/04/2009 - 1:29pm | Clayton Copeland:So they prefer having options regarding stations depending upon tasks? |
12/04/2009 - 1:30pm | Rebecca Power:I'm interested in the physical accessibility of your information commons/reference areas. |
12/04/2009 - 1:30pm | Israel Seiferth:I sent out a message about finding the "join" button. Proper lesson in accessibility. |
12/04/2009 - 1:31pm | Adina Mulliken:Axle, do you have ideas how to get more library employees to contribute info about accessibility? I find many are new to accessibility and those who have... |
12/04/2009 - 1:31pm | Rebecca Power:Our IC layout is very open with a lot of furniture, but few walls. It has been difficult for some students to navigate. |
12/04/2009 - 1:31pm | Axel Schmetzke:Adina, Web2Access provides a kind of open database, which is searchable. It also provides guidance with the evaluation--for those who wish to contribute. |
12/04/2009 - 1:31pm | Adina Mulliken:Axle, great, you answered the question I was just typing |
12/04/2009 - 1:32pm | Rebecca Power:We are redesigning it and I'm trying to gather ideas to making it more easily navigated. |
12/04/2009 - 1:32pm | Christine Fletcher:Our layout leaves a lot of open space to get to the ref desk. the adapted PCs are on the outside row for easy access. |
12/04/2009 - 1:32pm | Israel Seiferth:Adina- is the archive of this chat available after we are done? |
12/04/2009 - 1:34pm | Adina Mulliken:Thanks Israel... sorry I forgot I should have emailed LITA as well as uniaccess! |
12/04/2009 - 1:34pm | Rebecca Power:@Clayton, Our students using JAWS & Zoomtext seem to be happy on the public stations, although they want them closer to the printers. |
12/04/2009 - 1:34pm | But students who work with a helper or need to speak out loud to work need a more private space. |
12/04/2009 - 1:34pm | Christine Fletcher:and our ref desk has two low ares at each side for consults. |
12/04/2009 - 1:34pm | Did someone say something about a link to LibGudies accessibility info? |
12/04/2009 - 1:34pm | Clayton Copeland:How many formal opportunities (i.e., surveys, focus groups, etc) are used to gather ideas from students who are differently-able regarding their ideas for impro |
12/04/2009 - 1:34pm | improving accessibility? |
12/04/2009 - 1:34pm | Thanks, Rebecca and Adina. |
12/04/2009 - 1:35pm | Christine Fletcher:Each of our ref librarians has a private office with a glass door to close--ofers some privacy for consults. |
12/04/2009 - 1:35pm | Rebecca Power:@Clayton, I'd say there are few formal opportunities although we are going to try to make that happen as we redesign our IC. We need to hear from the users |
12/04/2009 - 1:35pm | instead of speculating (which is where I feel I am right now) |
12/04/2009 - 1:36pm | Julia Gustafson:Have any of you found moving your workstations from private to public areas encouraged more use? |
12/04/2009 - 1:37pm | Clayton Copeland:Personally and based upon some research work in which I've had the privilege of working with patrons who are differently-able, I think we have a critical need |
12/04/2009 - 1:37pm | and opportunity to hera patrons' voices. |
12/04/2009 - 1:37pm | * hear |
12/04/2009 - 1:38pm | Christine Fletcher:Our recent LibQual survey left room fro any commetns, and we solicit informal feedback when Disabled Services conduct tours. |
12/04/2009 - 1:39pm | Israel Seiferth:Has anyone else embarked on a accessibility survey of library electronic resources? |
12/04/2009 - 1:39pm | Adina Mulliken:Yes, the archive is available |
12/04/2009 - 1:40pm | Clayton Copeland:Good to know. Thanks, Christine. |
12/04/2009 - 1:40pm | Christine Fletcher:Perhaps LiubQual could develop a survey module for disability needs? |
12/04/2009 - 1:40pm | Julia Gustafson:RE Israel's comment - no. Do you know of any? |
12/04/2009 - 1:41pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Israel, what do you mean by survey and to whom? |
12/04/2009 - 1:41pm | Israel Seiferth:Well, I am presently conducting one. using a bobby like website then readability with JAWS and Read/Write Gold |
12/04/2009 - 1:42pm | Clayton Copeland:That sounds like an avenue with possibilities. |
12/04/2009 - 1:42pm | Julia Gustafson:Israel - after you do this, you should consider writing/publishing an article about it. |
12/04/2009 - 1:42pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:There is a group from UIUC and work with several vendors on e-resources acessibility |
12/04/2009 - 1:43pm | Adina Mulliken:Here's Syracuse U's guide to Libguide accessibility http://researchguides.library.syr.edu/content.php?pid=31563&sid=378014 |
12/04/2009 - 1:43pm | Axel Schmetzke:Israel, I created a web page to accessibilty surveys of one kind or another .... |
12/04/2009 - 1:43pm | Clayton Copeland:Christina, my last comment was meant for you, and Israel's work sounds important, too. |
12/04/2009 - 1:43pm | Axel Schmetzke:....http://library.uwsp.edu/aschmetz/Accessible/websurveys.htm.... |
12/04/2009 - 1:44pm | Israel Seiferth:Julia- I plan too. and I'll check that out axel |
12/04/2009 - 1:44pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:http://cita.disability.uiuc.edu/collaborate/ - Check their link to EBSCO, ExLibris, and Elsevier |
12/04/2009 - 1:44pm | Clayton Copeland:Thank you for sharing this, Axel |
12/04/2009 - 1:45pm | Helen Gbala:I am getting many messages to stop the script |
12/04/2009 - 1:45pm | Adina Mulliken:One challenge w studies of blind students is there are so few in higher ed and they can be swamped w research requests... offering paying them |
12/04/2009 - 1:45pm | Axel Schmetzke:For accessibility info on one resources other than websites, also check .... |
12/04/2009 - 1:45pm | http://library.uwsp.edu/aschmetz/Accessible/pub_Resources.htm#Further_Info |
12/04/2009 - 1:45pm | Israel Seiferth:I didn't see an answer previously. Are these chats archived for later refer |
12/04/2009 - 1:46pm | Adina Mulliken:Yes, chat is archived |
12/04/2009 - 1:46pm | Axel Schmetzke:You need to scoll down a bit to get to the various categories ... |
12/04/2009 - 1:46pm | Clayton Copeland:Me, too Helen |
12/04/2009 - 1:46pm | Adina Mulliken:Sorry everyone keeps getting kicked out.. this chat obviously isn't working well |
12/04/2009 - 1:46pm | Axel Schmetzke:... Google, Flash, PDFs, math & science, etc ... |
12/04/2009 - 1:47pm | Helen Gbala:Where is the meeting at ALA Boston? |
12/04/2009 - 1:47pm | Israel Seiferth:Seems like some problem with the script |
12/04/2009 - 1:48pm | * S.G. Ranti Junus mutters about being kicked out by the chat bot. |
12/04/2009 - 1:49pm | Axel Schmetzke:For once, the system works for me. (Knock on wood.) |
12/04/2009 - 1:49pm | Adina Mulliken:I don't know where the meeting will be in Boston yet... I'll post it in ALA Connect and on uniaccess listserv |
12/04/2009 - 1:49pm | Helen Gbala:See some at ALA |
12/04/2009 - 1:49pm | Sarah Hamrick:I just got a pdf of the meetings. |
12/04/2009 - 1:49pm | Let me check |
12/04/2009 - 1:50pm | Israel Seiferth:For those having problems, I was having script problems in Firefox, but chrome runs smoothly |
12/04/2009 - 1:50pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Meeting: Monday Jan 18, 8-10am, Marriott, Yarmouth room |
12/04/2009 - 1:50pm | Sarah Hamrick:It's at the Marriott Copley Place -- Yarmouth Room |
12/04/2009 - 1:50pm | Adina Mulliken:Thanks all, for the location! |
12/04/2009 - 1:50pm | You are welcome to join the listserv for UAIG. Go to http://lists.ala.org/sympa/info/uniaccess |
12/04/2009 - 1:51pm | Christine Fletcher:OK trying this in IE since Firefox gave me Stop Scrpoit messages every few seconds. |
12/04/2009 - 1:52pm | Adina thnx for teh LibGuides link. |
12/04/2009 - 1:52pm | Clayton-I;d liek to survey our disabled students on thier computer experience and what equipment they have already |
12/04/2009 - 1:53pm | FYI IE seems to be behaving much better than Firefox. |
12/04/2009 - 1:53pm | Adina Mulliken:I've found w blind students it's practical to get to know them in person as they're a small group at most schools, unfortunately |
12/04/2009 - 1:53pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Christine, does your university have a unit that helping students with disabilities? |
12/04/2009 - 1:54pm | Adina Mulliken:I tried emailing them via Office of Disability Services in the past and got no response |
12/04/2009 - 1:54pm | Clayton Copeland:That's a good idea, Christine. |
12/04/2009 - 1:54pm | Christine Fletcher:Yes we have several counselors for our Student Support Services office. |
12/04/2009 - 1:54pm | Clayton Copeland:\ |
12/04/2009 - 1:54pm | I've had similar experiences when going through the Office of Disability Servives, Adina. |
12/04/2009 - 1:54pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Here at Michigan State, we have one called Resource Center for Person with Diabilities (RCPD). The Library works closely together with them. |
12/04/2009 - 1:55pm | Adina Mulliken:I started getting to know the blind students by trying to offer reference help |
12/04/2009 - 1:55pm | Christine Fletcher:But they really don't survey students either. |
12/04/2009 - 1:55pm | Clayton Copeland:I don't know if messages didn't get forwarded, etc. |
12/04/2009 - 1:55pm | Adina Mulliken:It took me quite a while to learn how to use a screen reader enough to be effective w reference help! |
12/04/2009 - 1:56pm | But I think it would be easier to learn if I had spent more focused time on it |
12/04/2009 - 1:56pm | Clayton Copeland:How much surveying do the Offices of Disability Services do with the students themselves, and how much to the counselors offer their own voices vs. the students |
12/04/2009 - 1:57pm | Adina Mulliken:There are only about 4 students at our University so it wouldn't be that practical to survey them |
12/04/2009 - 1:57pm | Sorry, I'm talking about blind students... you're probably talking abotu all groups w disabilties |
12/04/2009 - 1:58pm | Clayton Copeland:How about students with other challenges - mobility, learning, hearing, etc.? |
12/04/2009 - 1:58pm | I think we were typing at the same time. :) |
12/04/2009 - 1:58pm | Christine Fletcher:ur disability counselors have not been so helpful with feedback. |
12/04/2009 - 1:58pm | Our |
12/04/2009 - 1:58pm | Clayton Copeland:I think it is WONDERFUL, and I applaud you for taking the time to personally get to know and help the students. |
12/04/2009 - 1:59pm | Adina Mulliken:Thanks Clayton! |
12/04/2009 - 1:59pm | The student who had the patience to bumble around w me on the screen reader first was pretty new to screen readers herself |
12/04/2009 - 2:00pm | Christine Fletcher:We have found that if a librairan makes friends with a disabled student, that student will come back and ask questions. Its our best outreach so far. one-on-o |
12/04/2009 - 2:00pm | Julia Gustafson:we tend to get students with learning disabilities - dyslexia, ADD, ADHD - only a very occasional other disability |
12/04/2009 - 2:00pm | Adina Mulliken:It would probably be easier for other librarians to work with a student who is more experiences |
12/04/2009 - 2:00pm | Clayton Copeland:Perhaps we could begin looking at disability groups and perhaps honors societies for students with disabilities as places to speak with students |
12/04/2009 - 2:00pm | That was meant as a question, but I ran out of typing space. |
12/04/2009 - 2:00pm | :) |
12/04/2009 - 2:01pm | Julia Gustafson:I get referrals from our learning center where our students with disabilities get help |
12/04/2009 - 2:01pm | Christine Fletcher:we do have a disability student group on campus. talking at one of their meetings could be helpful. |
12/04/2009 - 2:02pm | Julia Gustafson:On our campus, the learning center encourages self-disclosure on the part of the student and we don't actually have disability groups to speak of |
12/04/2009 - 2:02pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:We are in the same situation like Julia's campus. The students are self-identified. |
12/04/2009 - 2:03pm | Julia Gustafson:I guess our best connection is referral from our learning center and our administration |
12/04/2009 - 2:04pm | Rebecca Power:Our campus is the same-- no student group. There used to be one called the eclectic learners, but the students graduated and new students weren't interested |
12/04/2009 - 2:04pm | Clayton Copeland:Good to know. Thanks for sharing how everything works within everyone's different universities. It's helpful to know. |
12/04/2009 - 2:04pm | Adina Mulliken:Sounds like a good idea to me Christine. On my campus the blind students haven't participated in the disability activist group much in recent years, but the |
12/04/2009 - 2:05pm | student group is a very good resource |
12/04/2009 - 2:05pm | Clayton Copeland:Some offices of disability services may not permit this per privacy concerns, etc., but many of them do have listservs. Has anyone asked to be added to the list |
12/04/2009 - 2:06pm | serv and then used that as a venue to communicate directly with students? |
12/04/2009 - 2:06pm | Julia Gustafson:I guess I get the best information from the individual students themselves in terms of their needs. But I have had very few referrals of late. |
12/04/2009 - 2:07pm | Adina Mulliken:Julia, what kind of requests do you get? |
12/04/2009 - 2:07pm | Christine Fletcher:We have learned that if a disabled student has one bad expereince, they will not come back. We strive to avoid that. |
12/04/2009 - 2:07pm | Clayton Copeland:It's great that you do take the time to meet with the students who are willing, though. :) |
12/04/2009 - 2:08pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:I think it's a good idea to ask the office of disability services about stuff they need to do in helping students accessing library resources... |
12/04/2009 - 2:08pm | Julia Gustafson:One year I had a dyslexic student using open book to read his text books. Another year, I had a visually handicapped student using a screen magnifier |
12/04/2009 - 2:08pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:including any issues they encountered and the work around they did. |
12/04/2009 - 2:08pm | Israel Seiferth:We are working with our office in terms of seeing what resources are already accessible and what we need to rectify |
12/04/2009 - 2:09pm | Julia Gustafson:Another time I had a couple ADHD students using jaws with microsoft word. |
12/04/2009 - 2:09pm | Our population needs are so few, however, and I'm wondering if students are now coming with their own accomdations |
12/04/2009 - 2:09pm | Adina Mulliken:Julia, how much did the library or school do with preping the textbooks for the student w open book? |
12/04/2009 - 2:09pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Israel: that's awesome. I'd like to do that too. |
12/04/2009 - 2:09pm | Christine Fletcher:A legally blind student I've known since her was a freshamn is applyign for grad school. i could do a dance when that happens. So soemthing we do is working. |
12/04/2009 - 2:10pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Christine: that is great! |
12/04/2009 - 2:10pm | Julia Gustafson:The students use open book on their own with training from me. Our campus does not scan for students |
12/04/2009 - 2:11pm | Israel, that's a great idea |
12/04/2009 - 2:12pm | Adina Mulliken:Julia, it's great you know how to do it. |
12/04/2009 - 2:12pm | Israel Seiferth:We have 170 or so databases so I need some help anyway :D |
12/04/2009 - 2:12pm | Julia Gustafson:I'm getting rusty at it, though - no users of late |
12/04/2009 - 2:12pm | I'm at only a very basic level |
12/04/2009 - 2:13pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Julia should do a preconference for us on how to operate screen reader! :-) |
12/04/2009 - 2:13pm | Adina Mulliken:Our Office of Disabiltiy Services does not have an expert in web accessibiltiy or screen readers... one staff person knows some though... I wonder if that's |
12/04/2009 - 2:13pm | common |
12/04/2009 - 2:14pm | Julia Gustafson:I have found, however, that the electronic environment for students with learning disabilities is a godsend |
12/04/2009 - 2:14pm | Israel Seiferth:Anyone use Read/Write Gold? Much easier to operate thatn JAWS |
12/04/2009 - 2:14pm | Adina Mulliken:I heard there is a few tutorial on Freedom Scientific's website for Jaws now |
12/04/2009 - 2:15pm | free not few |
12/04/2009 - 2:15pm | Julia Gustafson:when I have students sent to me for one on one research appts - not for asst tech - just research appts, I can help them better now than years ago in the |
12/04/2009 - 2:15pm | all print environment |
12/04/2009 - 2:15pm | Adina Mulliken:I heard there's a free tutorial for Window Eyes too |
12/04/2009 - 2:15pm | Israel, I hadn't heard of it. Is it proprietary? |
12/04/2009 - 2:15pm | Christine Fletcher:Most of our jorals are online-only now. Its really helped with access. The blind students don't have to wait for a human reader. |
12/04/2009 - 2:15pm | journals |
12/04/2009 - 2:16pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Adina, could have collect those information re. tutorials? Any place where we could chip in the info? |
12/04/2009 - 2:16pm | Julia Gustafson:How are blind students navigating adobe pdf's? |
12/04/2009 - 2:16pm | Christine Fletcher:Adina--thnx for the info--I'm going to look for the JAWS tutorial |
12/04/2009 - 2:16pm | Julia Gustafson:Does this group have a wiki? |
12/04/2009 - 2:17pm | Adina Mulliken:Ranti, maybe we should add it to the other doc on ALA Connect? |
12/04/2009 - 2:17pm | Jaws takes some time to learn (tho I'm slow) but it's worth it! |
12/04/2009 - 2:17pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Adina: I think you're right. I just don't remember if the document is editable like a wiki. |
12/04/2009 - 2:18pm | Christine Fletcher:I think some PDFs--if formatted from OCR--will work with screen readers. I guess otherwise they print and use something like OpenBook. |
12/04/2009 - 2:18pm | Israel Seiferth:http://www.readwritegold.com/ |
12/04/2009 - 2:18pm | Adina Mulliken:I think it is... anyway there are lots of places to post stuff in Universal Accessibility group on ALA Connect |
12/04/2009 - 2:19pm | Israel Seiferth:30 day free demo |
12/04/2009 - 2:19pm | Adina Mulliken:Thanks Israel |
12/04/2009 - 2:20pm | Israel Seiferth:I find it much easier to navigate than JAWS (and able to read things JAWS can't |
12/04/2009 - 2:21pm | Adina Mulliken:Jaws has the biggest market share according to a not stat. significant study by Webaim a few weeks ago... |
12/04/2009 - 2:22pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Thanks, Israel. |
12/04/2009 - 2:22pm | Adina Mulliken:so I think it helps to know what the users know... but good to know alternatives too... what does it do better than Jaws? |
12/04/2009 - 2:22pm | Julia Gustafson:It's been a long time since I showed someon how to use JAWS, so every time I do, I need to do some review. |
12/04/2009 - 2:22pm | Even then, I'm at a very basic level with JAWS |
12/04/2009 - 2:23pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:I also use other toos: ww.satogo.com and nvda (http://www.nvda-project.org/) |
12/04/2009 - 2:23pm | Israel Seiferth:Want to teach me Julia? It confounds me to no end |
12/04/2009 - 2:23pm | Julia Gustafson:Is it important to keep the JAWS, Open Book, Zoomtext up-to-date with the latest versions or are older versions fine |
12/04/2009 - 2:23pm | Adina Mulliken:Julia... me too... I don't know it well |
12/04/2009 - 2:24pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Both satogo and nvda are the ones suggested by our usability/accessibility services here. |
12/04/2009 - 2:24pm | Julia Gustafson:Got a summer leave to spend learning? ;) |
12/04/2009 - 2:24pm | Christine Fletcher:I think as long as we're running Windows XP, we can use our exisitng versions of ZT and JAWS. Upgrading to Win7 could be another issue. |
12/04/2009 - 2:25pm | Julia Gustafson:Just trying to asses what we should invest since our users are so few and far between |
12/04/2009 - 2:25pm | Israel Seiferth:We run a JAWS thats, Ibeleive 2 versions behind |
12/04/2009 - 2:26pm | Julia Gustafson:Good, I feel better.... |
12/04/2009 - 2:27pm | Adina Mulliken:Rebecca, any ideas from your experience w arranging the learning commons? |
12/04/2009 - 2:27pm | Clayton Copeland:Is anyone familiar with Dr. Norm Coombs and EASI? This organization often offers webinars on JAWS and other programs? |
12/04/2009 - 2:28pm | Rebecca Power:Adina, I still haven't had a chance to speak with our head of the office of disability studies about it, but he is going to get me in touch with some students |
12/04/2009 - 2:28pm | to try to find out what kind of spaces are most accessible |
12/04/2009 - 2:29pm | I'm guessing there must be some literature out there about how to create open, yet still accessible areas. |
12/04/2009 - 2:29pm | Clayton Copeland:Oh, that's a great opportunity, Rebecca. Would you be willing to keep us posted on how that goes? |
12/04/2009 - 2:29pm | Rebecca Power:But I haven't investigated yet. |
12/04/2009 - 2:29pm | Christine Fletcher:Been ages since I took and EASI workshop. They are very knowledgeable. I still miss Dick Banks. |
12/04/2009 - 2:30pm | Rebecca Power:@Clayton. Absolutely, I'd be happy to share what we find out. |
12/04/2009 - 2:30pm | Clayton Copeland:Yes, I understand he was wonderful and touched many lives. |
12/04/2009 - 2:30pm | Adina Mulliken:I don't think EASI teaches Jaws but I thought their courses were useful |
12/04/2009 - 2:31pm | Clayton Copeland:Thank you, Rebecca. I'll really be looking forward to it. I am very interested in the lived experiences of students who are differently-able |
12/04/2009 - 2:32pm | Christine Fletcher:EASI has a nice varitey of workshops, from intro to stuff for your library systems folks. |
12/04/2009 - 2:32pm | Clayton Copeland:Oh, ok, thanks, Adina. I must have been mistaken about JAWS. JAWS must have been mentioned on the EASI listserv recently. |
12/04/2009 - 2:32pm | Israel Seiferth:http://people.rit.edu/easi/ |
12/04/2009 - 2:33pm | Adina Mulliken:yes, that would be interesting Rebecca. There's a mobility trainer for blind students at S.U. who gives us advice occassionally |
12/04/2009 - 2:33pm | Axel Schmetzke:EASI still offers workshops--thanks to Norm Coombs. |
12/04/2009 - 2:35pm | Christine Fletcher:I took workshops with Norm back in the 90's. EASI is a truely experienced bunch. |
12/04/2009 - 2:36pm | Adina Mulliken:Clayton, I just meant I don't think they don't have courses focused on Jaws. they do talk about screen readers tho of course. |
12/04/2009 - 2:37pm | Axel Schmetzke:Speaking about EASI. They also support a library accessibility discussion group, similar to this one. ... |
12/04/2009 - 2:37pm | http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?A0=AXSLIB-L |
12/04/2009 - 2:38pm | Clayton Copeland:Yes, I see on the website that they'll be offering workshops, etc. on Windows 7 and accessibility |
12/04/2009 - 2:38pm | Axel Schmetzke:It's not very busy. You might consider joining that group, too. |
12/04/2009 - 2:38pm | Clayton Copeland:Thanks, Axel. :) |
12/04/2009 - 2:38pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Axel: thanks! |
12/04/2009 - 2:38pm | Christine Fletcher:Axel I was just about to ask if AXIS-LIb was still active--you answered my question. |
12/04/2009 - 2:39pm | Axel Schmetzke:Yes, it is. Mostly announcements recently. But once in a while an interesting discussion. |
12/04/2009 - 2:39pm | Adina Mulliken:Someone wanted to talk about Univeral Design in Information Literacy courses ... any ideas on that? |
12/04/2009 - 2:39pm | Axel Schmetzke:It's international on scope. So sometimes you get the British, etc. perspective. |
12/04/2009 - 2:39pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:I ahven't checked their site yet, but is there a fee to take their workshop? |
12/04/2009 - 2:39pm | Adina Mulliken:Some are for a fee |
12/04/2009 - 2:40pm | Axel Schmetzke:Fees at EASI--for some workshops yes; others are free, Watch the announcement on the listserv I just mentioned |
12/04/2009 - 2:40pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Adina: Univ.Design in InfoLit - that's a big topic! |
12/04/2009 - 2:41pm | Adina Mulliken:Do you teach info lit Ranti? I teach mostly one shot sessions |
12/04/2009 - 2:41pm | Axel Schmetzke:A very important topic--especially as we create more and more interactive IL tutorials. |
12/04/2009 - 2:41pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:I don't teach info lit. But universal design could be approached from many angles. |
12/04/2009 - 2:42pm | Adina Mulliken:Yeah, does anyone know about screen reader accessibiltiy for some interactive courses? |
12/04/2009 - 2:43pm | Julia Gustafson:we're in the middle of a web site redesign. Does anyone know if drop down menus are accessible? |
12/04/2009 - 2:43pm | Adina Mulliken:I think Contribute software isn't good for screen readers, but wonder if there's some way to make it work |
12/04/2009 - 2:43pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Adina: it's tricky. Even if the interactive courses are screen-readable, that doesn't always mean the way it's presented would makes sense. |
12/04/2009 - 2:44pm | Adina Mulliken:Ranti, yes, that's what I ran into... i.e. an alt text description of a screen shot isn't so great |
12/04/2009 - 2:45pm | Axel Schmetzke:As a member of the editorial board of Library Hi Tech, I'd would encourge anyone who is interest ... |
12/04/2009 - 2:45pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Adine: Sighted people many times forget or perhaps don't know how blind users interact with the content. |
12/04/2009 - 2:45pm | Axel Schmetzke:to submit research studies on various angle of online accessibility .... |
12/04/2009 - 2:46pm | Especially one on the accessibility of IL tutorials is badly needed. |
12/04/2009 - 2:46pm | Adina Mulliken:Thanks Axel. Yes, Ranti... I don't know how you'd make it work.... |
12/04/2009 - 2:47pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Thanks, Axel. |
12/04/2009 - 2:47pm | Adina Mulliken:I tried making recording of Jaws reading the screen but then couldn't find a screen reader accessible media player |
12/04/2009 - 2:49pm | Clayton Copeland:Yes, thank you Axel! :) |
12/04/2009 - 2:50pm | Adina Mulliken:Since it's getting close to 3:00, I'll post the business items again for people who missed it before |
12/04/2009 - 2:51pm | The in person discussion meeting for UAIG at ALA Midwinter will be 8:00-10:00am Monday 1/18/10. Everyone at the conference is welcome to attend. |
12/04/2009 - 2:51pm | Axel Schmetzke:I've guest edited special-theme issues an accessibility/usability in Library Hi Tech before .... |
12/04/2009 - 2:51pm | Christine Fletcher:Julia--for drop down menus, this site indcludes code: http://www.webaim.org/techniques/forms/controls.php |
12/04/2009 - 2:51pm | Axel Schmetzke:...if there's enough interest I'd work on a fourth one. |
12/04/2009 - 2:51pm | Julia Gustafson:Thanks, Christine. |
12/04/2009 - 2:52pm | Clayton Copeland:Yes, and I'd like to thank you for your contributions, Axel. I've found them mikst helpful. |
12/04/2009 - 2:52pm | most |
12/04/2009 - 2:52pm | Rebecca Power:Axel, I love those themed issues from Library Hi Tech. They are so useful and really seem to fill a hole in the literature. |
12/04/2009 - 2:52pm | Israel Seiferth:Thanks all |
12/04/2009 - 2:52pm | Christine Fletcher:good discussion |
12/04/2009 - 2:53pm | Axel Schmetzke:I'm glad to hear that. Thanks, folks! |
12/04/2009 - 2:53pm | Adina Mulliken:Axel, me too, I quote your articles and others in that issue A LOT |
12/04/2009 - 2:53pm | We need an ACRL member to be a Convener to lead UAIG next year, beginning this coming June. It is a fairly easy job. If you would consider doing this, please |
12/04/2009 - 2:53pm | contact me |
12/04/2009 - 2:54pm | Clayton Copeland:Thank you again, Adina, for all of your efforts arranging the discussion. I look forward to future discussions, as well. |
12/04/2009 - 2:54pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Axel, that's a good one. |
12/04/2009 - 2:54pm | Hi all, I requested you to be my contact through ALA Connect, so please don't be surprised. :-) |
12/04/2009 - 2:54pm | Axel Schmetzke:Thankseveryone, especially Adina for getting this going. Good bye. |
12/04/2009 - 2:54pm | Rebecca Power:Thanks very much, Adina! |
12/04/2009 - 2:55pm | Adina Mulliken:Thanks everyone! Hope to see you at ALA or in future chats! |
12/04/2009 - 2:55pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:Yes, thank you, Adina. This is great. I'm glad I'm able to participate eventually. :-) |
12/04/2009 - 2:55pm | Sarah Hamrick:Thanks Adina! |
12/04/2009 - 2:55pm | Julia Gustafson:Thanks, all, especially Adina for arranging this!! |
12/04/2009 - 2:55pm | Christine Fletcher:Thank you Adina! |
12/04/2009 - 2:57pm | Adina Mulliken:Sorry for the repeats, but since everyone kept getting kicked out and may have missed it: |
12/04/2009 - 2:57pm | ALA Connect will automatically save a record of this session. I understand you can come back here to read it. |
12/04/2009 - 2:57pm | You are welcome to join the listserv for UAIG. Go to |
12/04/2009 - 2:57pm | http://lists.ala.org/sympa/info/uniaccess |
12/04/2009 - 2:58pm | If you haven’t subscribed to an ALA list before, you have to choose the tiny link |
12/04/2009 - 2:58pm | for “First login” under the password box on the left. You don’t have to be an ALA member to join. |
12/04/2009 - 3:01pm | Christine Fletcher:just joined! |
12/04/2009 - 3:01pm | S.G. Ranti Junus:OK. Hope to see you at ALA MW! Take care! |