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  • 1.  Recording Relationship Designators

    Posted Dec 18, 2020 01:27 PM

    Good afternoon,

    I haven't been able to find a page in the new toolkit for 18.5 Recording Relationship Designators. This would be for 1XX and 7XX $e or $j. I'm working on updating the cataloging manual rule numbers for my consortium and I'm not sure what to replace 18.5 with. Does anyone have any suggestions?

    thanks,

    Rachel



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    Rachel Fischer
    Member Services Librarian - Technical Services
    Cooperative Computer Services
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  • 2.  RE: Recording Relationship Designators

    Posted Dec 18, 2020 02:00 PM
    I haven't read the Guidance chapters since the summer, but I think for typical MARC application this falls under, but isn't explicitly part of, the recording of structured descriptions for each of the relationship elements (formerly designators). An example for the second author of a co-authored text, using author person:

    100 + 245 $a, n, p  =>  [has] author person  =>  700 name

    The thing about applying this to MARC is that only two-thirds of the above statement finds its way to the name added entry, and in reverse when reading left to right:

    700 1_ $a Doe, John, $e author person.

    I'm assuming here that we continue using author person in this circumstance (the work/expression at 1XX-24X points down to the 7XXs through the 7XX $e/$j) and not author person of (the 7XXs point up to the work/expression at 1XX/24X through the 7XX $e/$j).

    This isn't really an answer to the question, though, more of an observation. And a test to see if this message gets posted to the new discussion list.

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  • 3.  RE: Recording Relationship Designators

    Posted Dec 18, 2020 02:17 PM
    Edited by Stephen McDonald Dec 18, 2020 02:41 PM

    I believe that is correct.  The relationship designators from 18.5 are now represented by the specific narrower elements of 'creator agent of work', such as 'author agent', 'cartographer agent of work', 'composer agent of work', etc.  I don't think all of the designators at 18.5 exist as narrow elements, such as printer.  But a wide array of relationships can be specified by going deep enough into the narrower terms, such as 'screenwriter person' or 'designer corporate body'.

    edit--there is actually a 'printer agent', it is a narrower element of 'manufacturer agent' which is a narrower term of 'related agent of manifestation' rather than 'related agent of work'.

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    Stephen McDonald
    Digital Initiatives Librarian
    Tufts University
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  • 4.  RE: Recording Relationship Designators

    Posted Dec 18, 2020 02:27 PM
    Edited by Rachel Fischer Dec 18, 2020 02:41 PM

     It doesn't work well with Marc, but I think I understand it. The example is: 

    Naipaul, V. S., 1932– is creator agent of work of Naipaul, V. S., 1932– . A bend in the river. 

    This would be the equivalent of: 

    100 1_ $a Naipaul, V. S., 1932– $e author.

    245 12  $a A bend in the river / ....

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    Member Services Librarian - Technical Services
    Cooperative Computer Services



  • 5.  RE: Recording Relationship Designators

    Posted Dec 18, 2020 02:36 PM

    Right.  Or you could go narrower and do:

    Naipaul, V. S., 1932– is author person of Naipaul, V. S., 1932– . A bend in the river. 



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    Stephen McDonald
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    Tufts University
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  • 6.  RE: Recording Relationship Designators

    Posted Dec 18, 2020 07:52 PM
    I suggest that you wait until the PCC issues best practices on recording relationships and what terms it will use.  It is possible that PCC will not use the relationship element names in the form they appear in RDA.  For example, it could be PCC policy to use just "author agent" instead of the more specific "author person", "author collective agent", "author corporate body", and "author family" elements.  Or perhaps they may decide to just use "author" for all of them.  There was a task group set up to look at element labels, the LC-PCC Task Group on Element Labels in Beta RDA Toolkit. Their charge and final report and appendixes can be found on the PCC website at https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/taskgroup/task-groups.html

    Nothing is set yet, so I would wait.  One of the recommendations is "Use element labels from a new vocabulary that the PCC community will create and maintain as a part of the application profile and policy statements."

    Adam Schiff

    Adam L. Schiff
    Principal Cataloger
    University of Washington Libraries
    (206) 543-8409



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  • 7.  RE: Recording Relationship Designators

    Posted Aug 30, 2021 03:17 PM
    Hello,
    Could you tell if PCC published the best practices on recording relationships and what terms it use?
    Thank you.

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    Clarissa Selbach
    Pontifícia universidade Católica do Rio Grande do Sul - PUCRS
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  • 8.  RE: Recording Relationship Designators

    Posted Sep 01, 2021 08:31 AM
    PCC has published these best practices:

    PCC Guidelines for the Application of Relationship Designators in Bibliographic Records: https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/rda/PCC%20RDA%20guidelines/Relat-Desig-Guidelines.docx

    PCC Standing Committee on Training (SCT) Training Manual for Applying Relationship Designators in Bibliographic Records: https://www.loc.gov/aba/pcc/sct/documents/rel-desig-guide-bib.pdf


    -Adam Schiff

    Adam L. Schiff
    Principal Cataloger
    University of Washington Libraries
    (206) 543-8409



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  • 9.  RE: Recording Relationship Designators

    Posted Sep 12, 2021 06:10 AM
    Hi, Adam
    Thanks for the guidelines.
    After the publication of the LRM-based RDA, does the use of relationship designators continue in the same way? Can help in this question?

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    Clarissa Selbach
    Pontifícia universidade Católica do Rio Grande do Sul - PUCRS
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  • 10.  RE: Recording Relationship Designators

    Posted Sep 13, 2021 09:04 PM

    I believe the PCC is still working out the details on relationship designators for the new RDA, but they've already made some decisions, such as to use the unconstrained properties from the RDA Registry, and probably in an unverbalized form.  For example, "is host institution of" would probably be recorded as "host institution of", and "has interviewee" as "interviewee", and "is commentary on" as "commentary on".  I think there are still some decisions that need to be made before new RDA is implemented.

     

    The LC‐PCC Task Group on Element Labels in Beta RDA Toolkit issued a report about labels for relationship designators:

     

    I'm not sure how many of the report's recommendations have been accepted by PCC and what the plans are to implement them.  Perhaps someone from the Policy Committee could address this in more detail than I know.

     

    Adam Schiff

     

    Adam L. Schiff

    Principal Cataloger
    University of Washington Libraries

    (206) 543-8409




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