00:06:37 Stephanie Chase: It is supposed to be 113 here in Portland on Sunday (!!!!) 00:06:49 Gina Kromhout: OMG WTF 00:07:05 Lorelei Sterling: 61 in Anchorage 00:07:08 Megan Hodge: Megan Hodge, Councilor-at-Large 00:07:14 Stephanie Chase: Stephanie Chase, PLA Division Councilor 00:07:15 Matthew Bollerman: Matthew Bollerman, SustainRT councilor 00:07:19 Leslie L Morgan: Leslie L. Morgan, Councilor at Large 00:07:22 Gina Kromhout: hello! Gina Kromhout, GameRT councilor and FTRWG member here 00:07:24 Heather VanDyne: Heather VanDyne, Kansas Chapter Councilor 00:07:25 Lorelei Sterling: Lorelei Sterling, Alaska Chapter Councilor 00:07:25 Dora Ho: Dora Ho, Councilor at large 00:07:26 John DeSantis: John DeSantis, Councilor at large 00:07:26 Sarah Robbins: Sarah Robbins, Oklahoma Chapter Councilor 00:07:28 Melissa Cardenas-Dow: Melissa Cardenas-Dow, Councilor at Large 00:07:28 Jos Holman: Jos N. Holman - Indiana Chapter Councilor - Greetings to everyone! 00:07:28 Gail Tobin: Gail Tobin, Councilor-at-Large 00:07:29 Trish Hull: Trish Hull Utah Chapter Councilor 00:07:29 Lori Fisher: Lori Fisher, New Hampshire Chapter Councilor 00:07:29 Laura Bonella: Laura Bonella, Councilor at Large. Hi from Kansas! 00:07:29 Lisa Brunick: Lisa Brunick, SD Chapter Councilor 00:07:30 Melody Scagnelli-Townley: Melody Scagnelli-Townley, Councilor At Large 00:07:31 Maria Taylor: Maria Taylor, Kentucky Chapter Councilor 00:07:31 Michael Gutierrez: Michael Gutierrez, Councilor At Large 00:07:32 Kimberly Knight: Kimberly B. Knight, Councilor-at-Large 00:07:32 Ana Elisa de Campos Salles: Hi All, Ana Elisa de Campos Salles, Councilor-at-large. 00:07:32 Liana Juliano: Liana Juliano, Councilor at Large 00:07:33 Jennifer Joe: Jennifer Joe, Library Research Roundtable (and 73 and raining here in Toledo, OH) 00:07:33 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor. 00:07:35 Katie Cerqua: Hi, Katie Cerqua, Councilor at Large, in Virginia Beach, VA 00:07:36 Jennifer Boettcher: Jennifer Boettcher, Councilor at Large and FTWGRC member 00:07:37 Cassie Guthrie: Cassie Guthrie, New York State Chapter Councilor 00:07:37 Tod Colegrove: Tod Colegrove, Nevada Chapter Councilor 00:07:38 Deb Sica: Hi Friends - Deb Sica, Rainbow Round Table Councilor 00:07:41 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: Eileen Palmer, NJ Chapter Councilor 00:07:44 Muzhgan Nazarova: Greetings, fellow councilors! Muzhgan , Councilor-at-Large 00:07:44 Meredith Wickham: Meredith Wickham, MS Chapter Councilor 00:07:44 Victor Baeza: Victor Baeza, Round Table Councilor from LIRT 00:07:46 Sara Westall: Sara Westall, North Dakota Chapter Councilor 00:07:47 Keturah Cappadonia: Hi, Keturah Cappadonia, Councilor-At-Large 00:07:47 Kelly Sitzman: Kelly Sitzman, incoming Oklahoma Chapter Councilor 00:07:54 Jim Neal: Jim Neal Councilor at Large. Best from NYC. 00:07:58 Erica Freudenberger: Hello! Erica Freudenberger, Councilor-at-Large 00:08:03 Sam Helmick: Hi! Sam Helmick, elected to ALA Executive Board. Happy to be with you all tonight. 00:08:05 Amber Williams (she/her): Amber Williams, Councilor at Large, also on the west coast expecting highs about 100 for a solid week :/ 00:08:12 Aubrey Iglesias (she, her, hers): Hi from Aubrey Iglesias, New Mexico Chapter Councilor. :) 00:08:12 Leslie Campbell Hime: Hi all, Leslie Campbell Hime, EMIERT Councilor. 00:08:16 Susan Jennings: Susan Jennings, TN Library Association Chapter 00:08:28 Natalie DeJonghe: Hi all, Natalie DeJonghe, councilor at large. 00:08:29 Jules Shore: Jules Shore, 6 days from being Councillor at large again 00:08:30 Anchalee Panigabutra-Roberts: Joy Panigabutra-Roberts. Councilor At-Large. U of Tennessee Libraries. 00:08:34 Madeline Peña: Madeline Pena, Los Angeles Public Library - incoming Councilor-At-Large 00:08:45 Gina Kromhout: current cat in my camera view: Meepo, age 15, chonky tuxedo 00:08:53 Martin Garnar: Martin Garnar, Amherst College, IFRT Councilor 00:08:58 Jennifer Boettcher: is CC on? 00:09:00 Shannon DeSantis Gile: Shannon DeSantis Gile, Councilor at Large 00:09:53 Meg Delaney: Hi all, Meg Delaney, OH Chapter Councilor 00:09:56 Jack Martin: Jack Martin, RI Chapter Councilor and co-chair of FTRWG 00:10:04 Eric Suess: Eric Suess - At-LargeCouncilor 00:10:04 Jacquelyn Bryant: Hello from Philly. I am the ACRL Councilor. 00:11:33 Alanna A Moore: Hi everyone, Alanna Aiko Moore, Councilor-at-Large. 00:11:50 Gina Kromhout: lol aaron your image 00:11:53 Victor Baeza: Should go over how to use the raise hand feature so everyone knows where it is? 00:12:00 Elizabeth Nebeker: Liz Nebeker- Incoming YALSA Counilor 00:12:05 Elizabeth Nebeker: Counsilor 00:12:15 Elizabeth Nebeker: Councilor- LOL! 00:12:23 Kimberly patton: Hello everyone! Kimberly Patton, Kansas City, KS Public Library ALSC Division Councilor, 00:13:09 Rodney Lippard: Hi All! Rodney Lippard - Council Orientation Committee Chair and Note Taker 00:13:16 Linda Kopecky: Good afternoon from sunny Reno, Nevada. Linda Kopecky, Councilor at Large. 00:13:48 Gina Kromhout: Finnegan! 00:14:05 Dorcas Hand: Hi, all from Houston TX. Dorcas Hand, incoming TX Chapter Councilor 00:14:40 Maggie Farrell: Finnegan should be an honorary Councilor. Similar to Vivaldi! 00:14:52 Dorcas Hand: +Maggie! 00:14:56 Martin Garnar: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LVCtYkFTjbSaECPGxDiutkNlCoVuCt9WnwmwNJg2HdA/edit?usp=sharing 00:15:00 Kathy Lester: Hello, from South Lyon, Michigan. I am incoming Councilor At Large 00:15:09 Gina Kromhout: agreed. also it's like all the cats know when i'm on zoom, all three are here now 00:15:20 Rachael Clukey: Hey all! Rachael Clukey, Reference Librarian, from Delaware, Ohio! I'm running for Council (again)! 00:15:31 Gina Kromhout: hellooooo Rachael! 00:15:48 Leroy Lafleur: Lee LaFleur, Councilor at Large, logging on from greater Boston 00:15:58 Meg Delaney: Ohio Strong! Welcome Rachael 00:16:17 Rachael Clukey: Thank you! 00:16:35 Patty Wong (she/Her): Hi Patty Wong from Santa Monica, CA 00:16:39 Dora Ho: If anyone wants to speak, please put your name in the chat with "I want to speak" 00:16:53 Karen Schneider: Karen Schneider from Sonoma County, CA 00:17:12 Jim Neal: Hong Kong public libraries have been found in violation of security laws for displaying works of opposition leaders. 00:17:24 Aaron Dobbs: I like the links in the born digital doc, but the links should be either a footnote or a parenthetical entry in the text 00:17:44 Aaron Dobbs: (for print readability / discoverability)( 00:18:02 Gina Kromhout: to add to Martin - this is to distinguish between speaking on a platform in support of democracy or a discussion on ideas and speaking hate speech 00:18:15 Gina Kromhout: yeah thanks jim, that's a very new development 00:18:54 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: Can you speak to why you chose the term US enterprises and what it is intended to include? 00:20:12 Gina Kromhout: we wanted to address all enterprises, but we needed to stick to US-centric things 00:20:47 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: So this would also apply to libraries and could be used by them in their social media policy? 00:20:54 Aaron Dobbs: US enterprises could also be explained in a footnote? (so future readers can see the thinking) 00:21:02 Tara Brady: I think it's great, Martin, thank you and the committee for all the work to get this into a workable shape. 00:21:07 Gina Kromhout: yes, one would think so Eileen 00:22:31 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: Thanks, I was thinking of it as more of a tool 00:23:20 Lorelei Sterling: does enterprises include non-profits or just for-profit entities? 00:24:38 Gina Kromhout: it could be any body 00:24:43 Lorelei Sterling: Thanks! 00:25:24 Anchalee Panigabutra-Roberts: A footnote with the definition of ‘U.S. Enterprises’ would be helpful 00:25:28 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: Thanks for all the work on this. I think it is an important statement for ALA to make 00:25:38 Lori Fisher: I agree with Anchalee...a definition would help 00:26:01 Lorelei Sterling: That would be great 00:26:05 Jennifer Boettcher: too bad ALA does not have a "wall of shame." for those if violate this. 00:26:10 Leslie L Morgan: Thank you for this important resolution and the work all did in this effort. 00:26:21 Gina Kromhout: I SECOND THAT JENNIFER 00:26:27 Aaron Dobbs: (the hyperlinks should be footnotes or in-text parentheticals) 00:26:30 Anchalee Panigabutra-Roberts: Thank you for all your work. 00:26:33 Martin Garnar: https://docs.google.com/document/d/18VfKjZeuLP0_L30dbEkOZM3hlPgEU_Hhc1nVzs6VpGk/edit?usp=sharing 00:26:39 Muzhgan Nazarova: Thanks to you too, Martin! 00:26:45 Muzhgan Nazarova: Gina, terrigic work! 00:26:50 Muzhgan Nazarova: terrific! 00:27:06 Gina Kromhout: oh hi Muzhgan! thank you! 00:27:49 Jennifer Boettcher: I would like to speak 00:28:12 Jim Neal: Can we add preservation? 00:28:25 Gina Kromhout: many thanks to Tara as well, her work is invaluable 00:28:27 John DeSantis: John 00:29:10 Gina Kromhout: does this mean we endorse scihub? lol 00:29:25 Diane Chen: AASL has a toolkit to help position school librarians in efforts to create and curate open educational resources (OER) that will extend their role as leaders within their schools. The OER Toolkit is freely available for download at www.ala.org/aasl/toolkits 00:31:02 Jim Neal: Can we add preservation to 2 00:33:32 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: Thank you Martin! 00:33:37 Joyce Valenza: Thanks, Martin! 00:33:39 Lorelei Sterling: Thanks Martin! These look great. 00:33:44 Melissa Cardenas-Dow: thanks Martin! 00:33:49 Leslie L Morgan: Thank you Martin 00:33:55 Anchalee (Joy) Panigabutra-Roberts: Thank you! Martin and All involved. 00:33:56 Sara Kelly Johns: Thanks, Martin 00:33:58 Rodney Lippard: Helps me with notes, too. Thanks Martin! 00:37:13 Jack Martin, RI Chapter Councilor, FTRWG Co-Chair: That’s exactly what I wanted to say! Thank you expert co-chair Chrsitina! 00:39:08 Erica Freudenberger: Thanks for all of your work on this, Jack & Christina! (And the whole FWTWG crew) 00:39:25 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: Yes, thank you all. 00:39:33 Christina Rodriques: Thank you to all the working group members! 00:42:39 Marsha Burgess: Clarification: The Presiding Officer sets the agenda, not staff. 00:42:49 Jack Martin, RI Chapter Councilor, FTRWG Co-Chair: Thank you Marsha! 00:42:50 Karen Schneider: Thanks Marsha! 00:44:13 Melissa Cardenas-Dow: they're linked tho 00:44:39 Martin Garnar: No, it's referring to the Core Values of Librarianship as the title indicates. 00:45:11 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: Can we go back to Martin's point please? 00:45:23 Melissa Cardenas-Dow: yes please 00:45:25 Christina Rodriques: yes will do! 00:46:51 Diane Chen: https://www.ala.org/advocacy/intfreedom/corevalues shows that the verbiage here is correct. The current policy does state Core Values of Librarianship 00:47:07 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: Haha, we had a bear in my year last week, I feel you Martin. 00:47:23 Jack Martin, RI Chapter Councilor, FTRWG Co-Chair: Thanks for the correction Martin 00:47:25 Maggie Farrell: Martin's family living in the wild! 00:47:26 Martin Garnar: https://www.ala.org/advocacy/intfreedom/corevalues 00:47:42 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: Thank you Martin 00:47:47 Melissa Cardenas-Dow: thanks Martin 00:48:30 Jennifer Boettcher: I want to speak to #1 00:49:21 Gina Kromhout: why can't it be in multiple locations? 00:49:23 Melissa Cardenas-Dow: wouldn't this mean we're seeking alignment and agreement 00:49:32 Melissa Cardenas-Dow: and lessen self-contradiction? 00:49:54 Gina Kromhout: ohhhh I see, that they're not exactly the same - yeah I get it 00:49:55 Alanna A Moore: +1 Melissa 00:50:08 Jack Martin, RI Chapter Councilor, FTRWG Co-Chair: I think so Mellisa! 00:50:17 Jennifer Boettcher: Yeap that is what I thought. 00:50:31 Dorcas Hand: I can see that it would be hard to keep all locations up to date in the face of ongoing updated versions, so linking to the original even if they are reposted elsewhere. 00:51:03 Christina Rodriques: I agree Dorcas! 00:51:06 Gina Kromhout: big scary bear out there! 00:51:24 Maggie Farrell: the bear was coming to claim its own :D 00:51:38 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: Fozy bear meets a real bear -- children's book possibility! 00:51:47 Jack Martin, RI Chapter Councilor, FTRWG Co-Chair: I’m sorry I’m partially blind! 00:51:50 Tara Brady: I'd like to speak to two 00:51:50 Martin Garnar: Fozzie is more of a Muppet-style bear. 00:52:01 Gina Kromhout: is he an order muppet or a chaos muppet? 00:53:19 Mary Gazdik: I used to have a dog named Fozzie after the Muppet 00:53:25 Jennifer Boettcher: I have a question. 00:54:29 Trish Hull: FYI you probably already know the rt coordinating council had a bylaws group that has created a bylaws template 00:54:46 Victor Baeza: Keep in mind that the Round Table Coordinating Assembly has already created a recommended set of bylaws. 00:54:57 Jennifer Boettcher: Thanks 00:55:11 Tara Brady: I do! 00:56:29 Mike Marlin: maybe a different word than require? strongly advises? 00:56:36 Amber Williams (she/her): Mario- I’m sure you covered this at some time, so sorry for the repeat- why did the group settle on 150 instead of a percentage of membership? 00:56:41 Tara Brady: Yes thank you Mike 00:57:08 Jim Neal: structure v process 00:57:34 Victor Baeza: I think that the use of "core" means each round table can have others that don't conflict with the "core" ones. 00:57:35 Karen Schneider: I like to say you don’t get your identity from your bylaws 00:57:57 Ana Elisa de Campos Salles (she/her): +1 Jim I think Tara used a better word than operating principles when she was speaking: operating procedures. 00:58:37 Dorcas Hand: +ANA and Jim and Tara re Procedures rather than Principles 00:59:37 Amber Williams (she/her): Thanks 00:59:53 Karen Schneider: 100 members now 00:59:54 Victor Baeza: Much better than a moving target on membership requirement 01:00:09 Jennifer Boettcher: It's paying members, right? 01:00:28 Karen Schneider: It’s members, regardless of full paying, discount, etc 01:00:32 Trish Hull: may I speak? 01:01:18 Jim Neal: By laws template excellent 01:01:40 Mario Gonzalez: It is ALL members 01:04:07 Mike Marlin: May I speak? 01:04:11 Dorcas Hand: With the idea I have seen from (I think ) Martin about adding 2 more re Intellectual Freedom and another, and the request that any changes be accommodated in amendments rather than additional resolutions, how will/can that be managed in this context of a lead resolution and 6 more supporting it? 01:05:38 Martin Garnar: May I speak? It's in response to Dorcas's question. 01:07:39 Jennifer Boettcher: These committees and their antecedents are current committees of Council, right? 01:07:55 Aaron Dobbs: Council and Association committees 01:08:13 Victor Baeza: So if all the resolutions passed, Council and membership voting, when would be the earliest, or planned, date that they would take effect? 01:09:00 Aaron Dobbs: I'm concerned that we are discussing the proposed changes without a full picture of the financial sustainability effects of the changes. 01:09:25 Dorcas Hand: Thanks, Martin, for clarifying. 01:09:27 Jack Martin, RI Chapter Councilor, FTRWG Co-Chair: @Aaron I can talk to that if you would like 01:09:34 Amber Williams (she/her): Same boat Aaron. 2 more committees is a pretty big increase over 6 01:10:10 Meg Delaney: Yes Jack, would you please cover that financial point? thanks. 01:10:12 Aaron Dobbs: the FT Financial Analysis Working Group quantified what could be quantified so far -- but the costs associated with the Assemblies have not been quantified (and could be significant) 01:10:38 Karen Schneider: Correct, Aaron. That’s why it’s good to review the work of the Fiscal Analysis WG. Our report is based on significant amounts of data and other input from ALA staff and other sources. 01:11:02 Karen Schneider: Months of work. 01:11:06 Brenda Pruitt-Annisette: What happened to Accreditation (COA)? What was the final decision? 01:11:17 Jack Martin, RI Chapter Councilor, FTRWG Co-Chair: @Brenda I can speak to hat too 01:12:26 Aaron Dobbs: To be clear, I am not knocking any of the efforts around this! 01:13:42 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: this accrediting credentials issue sounds kinda huge. 01:14:07 Aaron Dobbs: Mario & Stephanie have their hands up 01:14:39 Martin Garnar: Ultimately we are concerned that the proposed structure will not allow the committees to be effective. Without policy-making committees that are not specialized in the areas of social justice, intellectual freedom, and sustainability, we are concerned that these important issues will get lost in the shuffle. I would suggest that saving money at the cost of the association to be able to do its work is not good for the long-term health of the association, as members will leave if we are not seen as relevant to the concerns of our times. 01:15:22 Gina Kromhout: +1000 martin 01:15:30 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: +Martin 01:15:45 Dorcas Hand: ++++++++… Martin 01:15:46 Aaron Dobbs: +Stephanie 01:15:59 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: Thank you Stephanie. 01:16:05 Karen Schneider: +1 Stephanie 01:16:27 Stephanie Chase: So hard!!!! 01:16:44 Karen Downing: Totally agree with Stephanie and Martin. 01:16:48 Stephanie Chase: It would be incredible to let your group have the time to do its work. 01:17:05 Stephanie Chase: Do its work FULLY. 01:18:20 Aaron Dobbs: Yes, required homework is the FT Financial Analysis Working Group. I tried to summarize - see the ALA Council Connect Group - but it definitely needs a lot of eyes and minds considering it 01:19:00 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: It seems to me that we need an agreed upon path forward, a deep fiscal analysis, and then a final look to make sure we can sustain what we believe the structure should be. 01:19:17 Alanna A Moore: +1 Jack 01:19:26 Dorcas Hand: + Eileen 01:19:29 Leroy Lafleur: +1 Jack 01:19:30 Ana Elisa de Campos Salles (she/her): +1 Jack 01:19:31 Meredith Wickham: Yes to Jack. 01:19:34 Tara Brady: +++Jack. I would really like to see a financial analysis that assumes that all ALA member positions are all-virtual unless they have a specific reason - eg conference related work. 01:19:40 Sherry Machones: +Eileen 01:20:34 Jack Martin, RI Chapter Councilor, FTRWG Co-Chair: @Tara Great idea I love that 01:21:43 Aaron Dobbs: FWIW, the conversation here really needs to happen in the Council meetings so everyone can hear it and consider things 01:22:06 Victor Baeza: The cost of the hybrid council meetings has been brought up, but implementation could decide on just virtual meetings or just in-person meetings for council and the board as Jack touched on. 01:22:10 Aaron Dobbs: I love that it's happening here, but we need to reprise it at Council :) 01:22:14 Diane Chen: I cannot speak now but I would say that we do need to pay the expenses for ALA Board members because people who cannot afford to pay to play (like school librarians and entry level librarians) need help to participate and have a voice. The executive board meetings are draining and I support continuing to enable a richer diverse group of board members 01:22:26 Stephanie Chase: I’ve said for a while that Council Forum time just needs to be included as Council meetings so we actually have the time to talk about stuff ;) 01:22:31 Jim Neal: Most members want to learn, share, network, enjoy. 01:22:33 Karen Schneider: Exactly Diane — it’s an equity issue to fund Board participation 01:22:34 Jennifer Boettcher: Going back to having fewer Committees, as combined committees are creating, you are also creating MORE work for those fewer committees. 01:22:35 Dorcas Hand: Jack's perspective is definitely important, and fewer in person meetings would be great. However, we probably don't want to forego ALL in-person opportunities. I don't have a clear vision of what that means, but I do think in person continues to have some advantages for some meetings. All in-person opportunities should definitely be hybrid to support those who can't get the travel time to participate in governance. And true that we cannot afford as much financial support of Boarad participation as we have until now. 01:23:07 Jack Martin, RI Chapter Councilor, FTRWG Co-Chair: Thanks @Dorcas. I think there’s a business solution to all of it…Again…chicken or the egg. 01:23:18 Stephanie Chase: I agree totally with you, Diane and Karen! We must keep in mind the equity benefits that come with EB/BOD support 01:23:41 Violet Fox: I was hoping to talk too, just for three minutes, even though I'm not on Council. 01:23:50 Dorcas Hand: Yes, Jack. And yes, Diane, we do need to enable participation from folks with financial and geographic challenges to in-person attendance. 01:24:34 Gina Kromhout: violet would like to speak, please. 01:24:36 Aaron Dobbs: @Violet indicate you'd like to speak - this is an open meeting 01:24:37 Jim Neal: And to have an association that effectively advocates for libraries and library workers, and champions and represents core values. 01:25:16 Dora Ho: I have Violet on the agenda but we still have another topic before hers. 01:25:37 Meg Delaney: Agree Jim, advocacy is the key! 01:25:38 Aaron Dobbs: Sweet, thanks Dora! 01:26:53 Toni Negro: I thought the issues was about Professional Values 01:27:17 Christina Rodriques: Yes, thank you 01:27:24 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: link to CoC https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vR6WXRsogsUMRZkcC67xH-z06q8dirwVxVzawdul2xg00C5AHBJtPNj3zIPBcQo67kasGtkWN7j0Ybq/pub?urp=gmail_link 01:28:55 Karen Schneider: I was your trustworthy Board liaison 01:29:17 Aaron Dobbs: @Karen Who was the untrustworthy rep? ;) 01:29:21 Karen Schneider: David is Mr. Connect and ALA staff liaison 01:29:25 Sheryl Reyes, ALA Staff: David Sheffieck is ALA's Community Engagement Manager =) 01:29:33 Karen Schneider: I was that role too, Aaron… just didn’t want to mention it 01:29:41 Erin Berman: Erin Berman - Chair of the IFC Privacy Subcommittee (not a councilor yet). Want to say that the committee is deeply concerned that there will be no place for us to do the work that we do year round in the current structure with only 6 standing committees. As a subcommittee we do A LOT of policy and advocacy work around privacy all year long. We don't even have enough bandwidth to do everything we plan every year as is. Would love to see a structure where we the experts in our fields that represent our core values have the resources they need to complete the work that membership is requesting. Thank you! 01:29:56 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: https://connect.ala.org/communities/community-home/digestviewer/viewthread?MessageKey=758936ce-6f4f-4f7e-ab35-865746252a57&CommunityKey=c235def7-8884-4b09-96f6-9c7a2e516789&tab=digestviewer#bm758936ce-6f4f-4f7e-ab35-865746252a57 01:30:37 Karen Schneider: This applies to all ALA online spaces 01:31:01 Karen Schneider: “All online platforms used by ALA” 01:31:14 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: Thank you for that feedback Erin 01:33:10 Karen Schneider: COO will present the proposal at Council II 01:33:25 Karen Schneider: Board voted for it! 01:33:43 Karen Schneider: HUGE work. *applause all around* 01:34:18 Susan Jennings: Thanks Karen, David, Jessamyn and others! Great work! 01:34:33 Maggie Farrell: this is a great document - and I like the tone 01:35:08 Jennifer Boettcher: It's wonderful.... 01:35:18 Meg Delaney: This points a great way forward. Thanks for your good work! 01:35:44 Jennifer Boettcher: very positive too 01:35:48 Monica Harris: I'm really excited about this. Really perceptive and thoughtful. 01:36:20 Dorcas Hand: All great - assuming FWT moves ahead successfully, where does this committee land in that structure? This is a great document and definitely needs ongoing management and support. Just trying to understand. 01:38:11 Dorcas Hand: That makes sense - I just needed to ask. 01:39:54 Jennifer Boettcher: Could you break up "religious or political beliefs, including lack of religious beliefs" I don't like putting church and state in same line. 01:41:23 Dorcas Hand: Hearing that differentiation, I would hope these two Codes of Conduct would be managed in similar ways, posted in similar locations, and over time coordinated for consistency of language. That would be much easier for the membership to remember. 01:41:47 Jennifer Boettcher: +Dorcas 01:41:50 Aaron Dobbs: politics, like baseball, is definitely a belief system :) 01:41:55 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: If moderators are to be ALA members will they be covered by ALA re potential liability? 01:42:40 Brenda Pruitt-Annisette: I may have missed the discussion on consequences to these infractions. Are there any at this time? 01:42:59 Lorelei Sterling: Will this be applicable to online continuing ed/webinars from ALA? 01:43:56 Karen Schneider: This is discussed in the CoC 01:44:13 Karen Schneider: See “What to Expect When Reporting” 01:44:19 Meg Delaney: And if you build in a staggered committee structure, it becomes another opportunity for member engagement. 01:44:32 Dorcas Hand: +Meg 01:45:24 Mike Marlin: Jessamyn, You and your colleagues did a superb job!!! 01:45:33 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: Thank you all. 01:45:43 Victor Baeza: Most excellent work! 01:45:56 Meg Delaney: Can't wait to share the approved version with all my communities! 01:46:42 Leslie L Morgan: I appreciate the information and comments this evening. Especially as I look forward to our Council meetings in the next days. 01:46:45 Violet Fox: Resolution on Replacing the Library of Congress Subject Heading Illegal Aliens Without Further Delay (“Resolution #1”) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ETPJm13OPwt_HpoLFwewP59Hs9ZJoyIqdBQhaJUTxLA/edit?usp=sharing Resolution on Greater Transparency in the Library of Congress Subject Headings Revision Process (“Resolution #2”) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1KpIcyMYU8oWiqsmqfyHITA-EFYgAP3mbirKG1K_7AOc/edit 01:47:04 Jennifer Boettcher: Please consider running for Council, deadline is July 1 01:48:05 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: Thank you for your work on this Violet. 01:49:04 Gina Kromhout: we've had previous resolutions on this topic before. what's the current status of any of those? 01:49:48 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: Thank you Violet. This is an issue many in my chapter care about. 01:50:03 Gina Kromhout: yeah there was some confusion I think then 01:50:18 Gina Kromhout: ok so we need to bring this back up and tell LoC again to change it, yes? 01:50:42 Gina Kromhout: ahhh, I get it :) 01:50:48 Lorelei Sterling: can you discuss why SAC voted not to endorse this? 01:50:51 Jennifer Boettcher: What is the Washington Office reason? 01:50:55 Gina Kromhout: yeah that's bull 01:50:57 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: Yeah I think we understood maaaaybe why they didnt’ make this change under the last administration, but agree entirely now is the time. 01:51:28 Lori Fisher: I would like to speak 01:51:52 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: And SAC? 01:51:59 Muzhgan Nazarova: this is bold statement about a fear 01:52:41 Anchalee (Joy) Panigabutra-Roberts: I’d like to speak 01:52:50 Gina Kromhout: tbh, we're so far into the "liberal indoctrination blahblahblah" rhetoric that there's no point in staying back 01:52:52 Aaron Dobbs: Similar to the previous time a similar resolution was passed, this has the potential to reprise the opportunity for one side side to inflame their base against this. 01:53:04 Jennifer Boettcher: So this might happen without this Resolution? 01:53:36 Ana Elisa de Campos Salles (she/her): Did they give a reason, Lori? Are they working on it through their channels or afraid it will jeopardize other things in motion? 01:53:48 Lori Fisher: Yes exactly Ana Elisa. 01:53:55 Ana Elisa de Campos Salles (she/her): OK, thank you 01:53:59 Gina Kromhout: no matter what we do as libraries right wing crazies will think we're the DEBIL 01:54:15 Muzhgan Nazarova: I believe LC is aware and we have to respect their decision 01:54:17 Gina Kromhout: ok so we quietlyyyyy pass this, yes? lol 01:54:34 Jennifer Boettcher: ha 01:54:37 Leroy Lafleur: I’ve heard that the PPA office is engaged with Congressional staff on a “quiet” approach and anticipates motion in a few months, probably in concert with the FY22 appropriations cycle. 01:54:41 Muzhgan Nazarova: which will be the right one 01:55:00 Lori Fisher: Yes Leroy that is correct and more eloquently said 01:55:01 Meg Delaney: +Leroy 01:55:26 Gina Kromhout: please clarify for me: what does LoC want? 01:57:23 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: No one but ALA has the credibility we do to speak on this issue. If we fail to do so now what message does it send? That's what I struggle with when balancing staff concerns with member concerns 01:57:32 Amber Williams (she/her): 2026 01:57:33 Muzhgan Nazarova: 5 more years 01:57:46 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: hayden is in until 2026 01:57:48 Gina Kromhout: +1 Eileen 01:57:49 Karen Schneider: I don’t see this as a “staff concern” 01:57:51 Jennifer Boettcher: yes 01:58:07 Gina Kromhout: ok thanks violet 01:58:14 Ana Elisa de Campos Salles (she/her): Thank you for that clarification, Violet. 02:00:21 Gina Kromhout: i can attest to that, as someone who doesn't really know how LCSH are added or changed 02:01:05 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: What are the objections to this resolution? 02:02:55 Tara Brady: ++++Violet 02:03:06 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: ++++Violet 02:03:24 Jennifer Boettcher: Sounds like a need for FIOA request, to make it go faster. 02:03:28 Gina Kromhout: +1 violet, Muzhgan is right too, it's just that us regular folks get questions about this and we don't know how to answer them 02:03:37 Gina Kromhout: regular patrons ask us about LCSH 02:04:05 Natalie DeJonghe: I think the idea is that we want people to understand how this process works so there is respect for whats happening but also so that people don’t have to individually reach out to understand how the process works. Being more transparent about how the process works doesn’t necessarily translate to somehow creating expectations that it’s fast or easy. 02:04:32 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: Thanks Violet 02:04:37 Ana Elisa de Campos Salles (she/her): So perhaps clarify the wording in this resolution to specify other library workers outside of LoC and the public at large. 02:06:35 Violet Fox: violetfox@gmail.com 02:07:04 Leslie L Morgan: Thank you for this meeting this evening 02:07:05 Deb Sica: Thanks, Violet. Love all the care and kindness around this. 02:07:08 Ana Elisa de Campos Salles (she/her): Thank you, Susan, Dora and Susan’s bouncers :-) 02:07:09 Jennifer Boettcher: You are the Best Susan J, thank you. 02:07:09 Meg Delaney: Thanks Susan! 02:07:12 Eileen Palmer NJ Chapter Councilor: Thanks Susan and Dora 02:07:15 Maggie Farrell: Thank you Susan!! 02:07:15 Lori Fisher: Thank you Susan, for your excellent facilitation! 02:07:16 Jessamyn West - VT Chapter Councilor: Thanks all! 02:07:18 Meredith Wickham: Thank you, Susan and Dora!! 02:07:21 Rachael Clukey: thank you! 02:07:23 Alanna A Moore: Thank you! 02:07:25 Gina Kromhout: thank you everybody!! 02:07:26 Dorcas Hand: thank you! 02:07:26 Jonathan Newton (he/him, SC Chapter Councilor): Thanks everybody! 02:07:27 Tod Colegrove: Much appreciated - thanks all! 02:07:27 Sara Westall: Thank you! 02:07:28 Stephanie Chase: Thank you 02:07:30 Laura Bonella: Thank you! 02:07:32 Jennifer Boettcher: And Dora's Control 02:07:33 Deb Sica: Thanks, Susan! 02:07:44 Leroy Lafleur: Thanks everyone 02:07:46 Sara Kelly Johns: Thank you! 02:07:49 john butler: thanks